IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM - Page 2

"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
> > news:2k73pdF192643U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:2k65trF182jfnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Jeri Toll wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:...
> >>>>
> >>>>Congratulations on your knowledge of geography.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Geography counts too you numskull!
> >>
> >>Hey Ed, you are not making any sense here. My post was
> >>not in any way derogatory of the study of geography.
> >
> >
> > I suspect you, like most liberals, would like to see the
> > US repeat its experience of Vietnam. Like all liberals
> > you do not like the US ever to
take
> > strong military action anywhere ever no matter the
> > provocation. If it
can't
> > be solved by diplomacy, then it can't be solved. So live
> > with it!
> >
> > I disagree with all that kind of thinking. I want the US
> > to take strong military action in the world as there is
> > no else that will except the
rogues
> > and murderers like the Muslim terrorists. You can have
> > your France, I
will
> > take President Bush any old day of the week and twice on
> > Sunday.
>
> I think that E.D. is losing it, since his responses seem
> to be disconnected from the previous post.
>
> Again, how was I being derogatory of geography?

Mr. Sherman should have been an academic as he likes to play
these little word games which go nowhere. Why make a
comment about geography if you do not mean something by
it? For your post to make any sense you would have had
to include the entire previous post with reference to
the particular passages having to do with the geography
to which you were responding in the first instance.
Since you failed to do that, one can only surmise what
you may have meant. The fault is all yours for failing
to communicate what you meant. Being cryptic has it
consequences.

I am not defending geography as it needs no defense. What I
was saying (as was Jeri) was that the geography of Iraq is
completely different from the geography of Vietnam and this
has military consequences for how the war will go.

But Mr. Sherman knows full well what I meant as I know full
well what he meant. He likes to pretend to be an idiot every
now and then just to get my goat. But pretending is a
hazardous game as it can quickly become reality if you
aren't careful. Before you know it, you will have others
questioning whether Mr. Sherman is an idiot or not.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
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> "@" <@@@.com> wrote in message
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> > Delusional mental patient "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> > speweth thus:
> >
> > > Yes, it has been a bit of a draught here on ARBR
> > > lately, but I have
> loaded
> > > my guns
> >
> > BWAAAHAHAAAAA! And just what do you think you're going
> > to do with that
> pop
> > gun, besides compensate for your shortcomings?
> > > I will now have my work cut out for me for the next
> > > several days, weeks, months - who
> > knows -
> > > it could go on forever! The liberals ye shall always
> > > have with you,
but
> I
> > am
> > > only here with you for a little while.
> >
> > I hope that my blood-pressure-raising taunts don't
> > hasten your meeting
> with
> > your maker. Oh, that would be a tragedy indeed. LOL.
>
> I am on plenty of high blood pressure medication so that
> idiots like you can't get to me. Frustrating isn't it?
>
> > > Whether I can find the strength to ward off all the
> > > resulting
obnoxious
> > and
> > > pestiferous liberal posts only time will tell.
> >
> > How do you find enough space in your tiny brain for all
> > of that
arrogance
> > and hubris? I guess it had to displace the areas
> > normally reserved for sense, humility and knowledge.
>
> I do pride myself on my sense and knowledge, but why
> should I pretend to a humility which would ill suit me.
> That is the one virtue that you should spend all of your
> time cultivating. You have got lots to be humble about.
>
> > > But I will be damned if I am gong to end up in a
> > > mental hospital just because of liberal posting
here
> > on
> > > ARBR. If it gets to be too much for me, I will bail
> > > out and let ARBR
go
> to
> > > hell - since that is where it wants to go anyway!

That's hilarious, an "atheist" who believes in hell. LOL.

> By the way, did you know that Rush Limbaugh is the
> most astute and intelligent political analyst in the
> country today?

Troll Factor: 99%

>Yes, it is true. In fact, he may be a genius when it comes
>to political analysis.

So you drank Rush's koolaid. Wait, that wasn't koolaid. What
the heck was that stuff you drank?

> I recommend that you spend 3 hours every day listening to
> him like I do.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

> pay no attention to Michael Moore because he is a big fat
> treasonous pig

Have you always been a drooling moron, or did you have to
work at it?

Tell ya' what, Pinhead Ed, you win an Academy Award and
then, then following year, win the Palm d'Or for a
documentary, and then we can talk about who's a genius.
Until then, I invite you to eat my dog's steaming pile.

Pinhead Ed, you're plenty gullible, stupid and arrogant
enough to toy with and bait for a while; but I think I'll
get pretty bored with your sub-moronic one-dimensional
dittohead talking points. You're a useless self-absorbed
moron, and I know just where you belong. Now listen
carefully for the sound of your thick skull bouncing off the
bottom of my big troll dumpster. Here it comes!

PLONK

Aaaaahhh. That's much better.

@

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>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message news:XOSdnewqeuMiwEPdRVn-
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[...]
> > > > But I will be damned if I am gong to end up in a
> > > > mental hospital just because of liberal posting
> here
> > > on
> > > > ARBR. If it gets to be too much for me, I will bail
> > > > out and let ARBR
> go
> > to
> > > > hell - since that is where it wants to go anyway!
>
> That's hilarious, an "atheist" who believes in hell. LOL.

I must admit I do believe in hell a lot more than I believe
in heaven. But I use those old Christian terms because that
is the milieu that I am living in and I want to be
understood above all else. America is essentially a country
deriving from Anglo Protestant culture. When America loses
this Anglo Protestant culture, it will no longer be America.
We are in the process of losing it now and I believe in
another generation or so you and I won't recognize this
country. Well, I will be dead then and so I will belong to
the generations. How about you?

> > By the way, did you know that Rush Limbaugh is the most
> > astute and intelligent political analyst in the country
> > today?
>
> Troll Factor: 99%

Everyone here makes that mistake about me being a troll. But
it is not true. I believe everything I say. But I am being
brutally honest at all times and I let the chips fall where
they may. I would not bother posting to a newsgroup if I
could not say EXACTLY what is on my mind.

> >Yes, it is true. In fact, he may be a genius when it
> >comes to political analysis.
>
> So you drank Rush's koolaid. Wait, that wasn't koolaid.
> What the heck
was
> that stuff you drank?

Everyone underestimates old Rush because he does fool around
a lot and have some fun on his radio show. But Rush is
smarter than all the other analysts out there in media-land
put together. [...]

> > pay no attention to Michael Moore because he is a big
> > fat treasonous pig
>
> Have you always been a drooling moron, or did you have to
> work at it?
>
> Tell ya' what, Pinhead Ed, you win an Academy Award and
> then, then
following
> year, win the Palm d'Or for a documentary, and then we can
> talk about
who's
> a genius. Until then, I invite you to eat my dog's
> steaming pile.

I repeat, Michael Moore is a big fat treasonous pig who has
no brain. By the way, everyone knows those Palm d'Or awards
are based on politics pure and simple. It is nothing but
political correctness gone amuck.

> Pinhead Ed, you're plenty gullible, stupid and arrogant
> enough to toy with and bait for a while; but I think I'll
> get pretty bored with your sub-moronic one-dimensional
> dittohead talking points. You're a useless self-absorbed
> moron, and I know just where you belong. Now listen
carefully
> for the sound of your thick skull bouncing off the bottom
> of my big troll dumpster. Here it comes!

@ is the ultimate asshole. He can't take disagreement like
all the other liberals in this country. That is why they are
going down to defeat big time because the American
electorate has finally gotten the measure of them. They are
nothing but scoundrels and blackguards. But mostly, they are
just spawn of the Devil! And have you ever noticed how they
are all kill filers. I rest my case!

> PLONK

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:

Quoting **** Cheney, I see.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>

>
> Quoting **** Cheney, I see.

Did you notice how the media has reported the Cheney episode
but slighted the previous Kerry episode. And then there are
some who claim that we have a neutral media!

But let's face it - who wouldn't end up swearing and cussing
at that blockhead from Vermont?

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Foreign Occupation Resistance Worker is the correct term."

The politically correct term, if you're a reporter for PBS
or the BBC is "militant," but we all know what they are.
Well, most of us anyway. And for those that don't, there's
no point in bothering.

Thematic Observation: "The farther we get from September
11th, the closer we get to September 10th."

--
--Scott "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in
message news:2k6jg3F17p48jU2@uni-berlin.de...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
> > ... strictly speaking you'd be more likely to get run
> > over by a car in
Baghdad,
> > than get shot by an "insurgent." (Which is kind of an
> > anemic term for
what
> > these folks do, frankly....
>
> Foreign Occupation Resistance Worker is the correct term.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

When comparing Vietnam and Iraq, it appears that Vietnam is more conducive to bike riding. I have seen news reels showing streets cramed with trucks and bicycles and cars all mashed together. It would be hard to imagine seeing that scene somewhere like New York, bikes bumping against taxi cab fenders. Vietnam is surrounded by bike makers, they may make alot themselves, I don't know. I wonder if there are any recumbent bike makers there? It would be interesting to see alot of recumbents in heavy traffic in a place like Vietnam or China.
As far as Iraq is concerned, I guess that the arid climate and harsh sand make it tougher to commute by bike. I haven't seen any pictures of people riding bikes over there, but as things are now, I understand why. Maybe once the saving them from themselves theory unfolds into whatever it may over there we will see more people moving about freely, riding bikes, maybe even recumbents. The roads look rough over there, so MTBs will probably rule until better roads are built. Here are some bike questions for you guys. How are bikes used in Vietnam, as transportation, utility vehicles, taxis? Who makes these bikes for them? How much does one cost over there?
What kind of bikes will be seen in Iraq? There will be some very rich folks over there, so will there be alot of carbon framed rides cruisin' the square or just a bunch of Wal-Mart specials from the poor and under represented?
What other bike related topics can you guys come up with that relate to the two subjects, Iraq and Vietnam?
I eagerly await your responses for it is easy to see from the many post that you guys put in alot of time on the computer. So put that time to good use and share some bike related post with us. Peace

Wolverine wrote:

> ...The roads look rough over there, so MTBs will probably
> rule until better roads are built...

I would expect most of the bikes sold in the near future
(after the occupation ends and a stable government is
formed) to look like this:
<http://www.yellowjersey.org/EASTMAN.HTML>.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Freewheeling wrote:

> ... Thematic Observation: "The farther we get from
> September 11th, the closer we get to September 10th."

Yes, we should not forget September 11, 1973.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"Vietnam is surrounded by bike makers, they may make alot
themselves, I don't know. I wonder if there are any
recumbent bike makers there? It would be interesting to see
alot of recumbents in heavy traffic in a place like Vietnam
or China. As far as Iraq is concerned, I guess that the arid
climate and harsh sand make it tougher to commute by bike. I
haven't seen any pictures of people riding bikes over there,
but as things are now, I understand why."

Sorry to have to call you on your noble effort to steer the
conversation, since I'd just as soon the world were
different. I'd actually be supportive of that, were it not
for the fact that we all spend most of our time in denial
(well, almost 100% really), and it's just not healthy. It's
hardly the sort of situation that existed during the Blitz
when Londoners deliberately avoided discussing the fact that
bombs were falling all around them, is it?

Hence the truth of the statement: "The farther we get from
September 11th, the closer we get to September 10th." Which
is where we'd all like to be of course, were it not for what
we know the following day brought.

Now, there *are* people in *Iraq* who are demonstrating that
noble Londoner spirit... keeping up the sense of
extraordinary normalcy and optimism for the sheer hope that
they'll end up with the sort of society where the most
serious thing that happens all day is riding their bike
along the Tigris listening to the chirping of the cicadas.

And I'd love to just stop there, with that hopeful quasi-on-
topic thought, but today the House Armed Services
Committee spent it's time arguing about the political
incorrectness of killing Muslim terrorists with Jew
bullets, and decided to use the rounds only for training
purposes out of a justifiable concern that we might be
making enemies of our enemies.

That's the insanity of denial.

--
--Scott "Wolverine" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote
in message news:nzKDc.6186$Ej1.3075@fe20.usenetserver.com...
> Freewheeling wrote:
> > "Foreign Occupation Resistance Worker is the correct
> > term." The politically correct term, if you're a
> > reporter for PBS or the BBC
is
> > "militant," but we all know what they are. Well, most
> > of us anyway.
And
> > for those that don't, there's no point in bothering.
> > Thematic Observation: "The farther we get from
> > September 11th, the closer we get to September 10th."
> > --
> > --Scott "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in
> > message
news:2k6jg3F17p48jU2@uni-berlin.dene...F17p48jU2@uni-
> > berlin.de...
> > > Freewheeling wrote:
> > >
> > > > ... strictly speaking you'd be more likely to get
> > > > run over by a car in
> > Baghdad,
> > > > than get shot by an "insurgent." (Which is kind of
> > > > an anemic term for
> > what
> > > > these folks do, frankly....
> > >
> > > Foreign Occupation Resistance Worker is the correct
> > > term.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tom Sherman – Quad City Area
>
>
> When comparing Vietnam and Iraq, it appears that Vietnam
> is more conducive to bike riding. I have seen news reels
> showing streets cramed with trucks and bicycles and cars
> all mashed together. It would be hard to imagine seeing
> that scene somewhere like New York, bikes bumping against
> taxi cab fenders. Vietnam is surrounded by bike makers,
> they may make alot themselves, I don't know. I wonder if
> there are any recumbent bike makers there? It would be
> interesting to see alot of recumbents in heavy traffic in
> a place like Vietnam or China. As far as Iraq is
> concerned, I guess that the arid climate and harsh sand
> make it tougher to commute by bike. I haven't seen any
> pictures of people riding bikes over there, but as things
> are now, I understand why. Maybe once the saving them
> from themselves theory unfolds into whatever it may over
> there we will see more people moving about freely, riding
> bikes, maybe even recumbents. The roads look rough over
> there, so MTBs will probably rule until better roads are
> built. Here are some bike questions for you guys. How are
> bikes used in Vietnam, as transportation, utility
> vehicles, taxis? Who makes these bikes for them? How much
> does one cost over there? What kind of bikes will be seen
> in Iraq? There will be some very rich folks over there,
> so will there be alot of carbon framed rides cruisin' the
> square or just a bunch of Wal-Mart specials from the poor
> and under represented? What other bike related topics can
> you guys come up with that relate to the two subjects,
> Iraq and Vietnam? I eagerly await your responses for it
> is easy to see from the many post that you guys put in
> alot of time on the computer. So put that time to good
> use and share some bike related post with us. Peace
>
>
>
> --

So, what happened on 9-11-73?

And the fact that you could say that and believe the irony
has some value suggests you never actually left 9-10-2001.
Groundhog Day, sort of.

But seriously, if you have an old kid's bike that you'd
like to get rid of, or any kind of toys for that matter,
that you'd just as soon an Iraqi kid have, you can contact
these guys:

http://www.spiritofamerica.net/

They'll know what to do with it.

It's a way of getting past 1973.

--
--Scott "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in
message news:2k9i93F18r0q5U2@uni-berlin.de...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
> > ... Thematic Observation: "The farther we get from
> > September 11th, the
closer we
> > get to September 10th."
>
> Yes, we should not forget September 11, 1973.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"Freewheeling" <email_at_bottomofpost@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:2k9pt5F115p0jU1@uni-berlin.de...
> So, what happened on 9-11-73?
>
> And the fact that you could say that and believe the irony
> has some value suggests you never actually left 9-10-2001.
> Groundhog Day, sort of.
>
> But seriously, if you have an old kid's bike that you'd
> like to get rid
of,
> or any kind of toys for that matter, that you'd just as
> soon an Iraqi kid have, you can contact these guys:
>
> http://www.spiritofamerica.net/
>
> They'll know what to do with it.
>
> It's a way of getting past 1973.
>
> --
> --Scott "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in
> message news:2k9i93F18r0q5U2@uni-berlin.de...
> > Freewheeling wrote:
> >
> > > ... Thematic Observation: "The farther we get from
> > > September 11th, the
> closer we
> > > get to September 10th."
> >
> > Yes, we should not forget September 11, 1973.

I will NEVER follow any of Mr. Tom's cryptic allusions nor
his links unless he furnishes introductory material as to
what one might expect to see. If he fails to do this, then
he can go fly a kite as far as I am concerned. It is nothing
but pig headed rudeness to expect others to be so enthralled
that you would follow without knowing where you are going.
The self absorption of this man is incredible!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"It is nothing but pig headed rudeness to expect others to
be so enthralled that you would follow without knowing where
you are going."

Ed, I posted the link to "Spirit of America." It's a
non-profit organization started by the US Marines to
benefit Iraqis.

--
--Scott "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message news:1qudnTAaTZpzeELdRVn-
hA@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Freewheeling" <email_at_bottomofpost@bigfoot.com> wrote
> in message news:2k9pt5F115p0jU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > So, what happened on 9-11-73?
> >
> > And the fact that you could say that and believe the
> > irony has some
value
> > suggests you never actually left 9-10-2001. Groundhog
> > Day, sort of.
> >
> > But seriously, if you have an old kid's bike that you'd
> > like to get rid
> of,
> > or any kind of toys for that matter, that you'd just as
> > soon an Iraqi
kid
> > have, you can contact these guys:
> >
> > http://www.spiritofamerica.net/
> >
> > They'll know what to do with it.
> >
> > It's a way of getting past 1973.
> >
> > --
> > --Scott "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in
> > message news:2k9i93F18r0q5U2@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Freewheeling wrote:
> > >
> > > > ... Thematic Observation: "The farther we get from
> > > > September 11th, the
> > closer we
> > > > get to September 10th."
> > >
> > > Yes, we should not forget September 11, 1973.
>
> I will NEVER follow any of Mr. Tom's cryptic allusions nor
> his links
unless
> he furnishes introductory material as to what one might
> expect to see. If
he
> fails to do this, then he can go fly a kite as far as I am
> concerned. It
is
> nothing but pig headed rudeness to expect others to be so
> enthralled that you would follow without knowing where you
> are going. The self absorption
of
> this man is incredible!
>
> --
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>

Freewheeling wrote:

> So, what happened on 9-11-73?
>
> And the fact that you could say that and believe the irony
> has some value suggests you never actually left 9-10-2001.
> Groundhog Day, sort of....

September 11, 1973 was the day that the democratically
elected President of Chile, Salvador Allende, was killed in
a military coup led by Augusto Pinochet and backed by the US
at the direction of Henry Kissinger. In the aftermath of the
coup, over 3000 peaceful opponents of the military
dictatorship were murdered by Chilean death squads,
including those who left the country (Operation Condor).

So you see, September 11, 1973 and September 11, 2001 have
something in common - the murder of approximately 3000
innocent people.

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go
communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people. The
issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be
left to decide for themselves". - Henry Kissinger on the
election of Salvador Allende as President of Chile.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
news:2kbq4uFfk05U1@uni-berlin.de...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
> > So, what happened on 9-11-73?
> >
> > And the fact that you could say that and believe the
> > irony has some
value
> > suggests you never actually left 9-10-2001. Groundhog
> > Day, sort of....
>
> September 11, 1973 was the day that the democratically
> elected President of Chile, Salvador Allende, was killed
> in a military coup led by Augusto Pinochet and backed by
> the US at the direction of Henry Kissinger. In the
> aftermath of the coup, over 3000 peaceful opponents of the
> military dictatorship were murdered by Chilean death
> squads, including those who left the country (Operation
> Condor).
>
> So you see, September 11, 1973 and September 11, 2001 have
> something in common - the murder of approximately 3000
> innocent people.
>
> "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country
> go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own
> people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean
> voters to be left to decide for themselves". - Henry
> Kissinger on the election of Salvador Allende as President
> of Chile.

And you expected THIS to be general knowledge to the point
where everyone would know to what the hell you were
referring? When are you ever going to get your head screwed
on straight?

On thing I do know for sure - if it is a question of
leftists vs. rightists, I am going to be on the side of the
rightists. The g.d. leftists have never given the world
anything but the most god awful tyrannies (Hitler was a
leftist - National SOCIALIST Party = NAZI). Henry Kissinger
was a genius to see what needed to be done in Chile. 3,000
dead was a cheap price to prevent Chile from going
communist and becoming allied with the Soviet Union. Would
that all our statesmen were as smart as Kissinger -
although he did foul up Vietnam, but that was mostly due to
the cowardice of Congress.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota