IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM

IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:

1) in Vietnam, the US was fighting another nation, North
Vietnam, and forces which were coming in from Cambodia,
Laos, and China.

In Iraq, we already conquered the enemy, and are fighting
terrorists who are coming in from Syria, Iran, etc. There is
a big difference.

2) in Vietnam, the US allowed Pol-Pot, and other Communist
Leaders to participate in the Media, and they were
allowed to travel to other nations and create Public
Relations problems, etc. The US had a Hands-Off approach
to the Communist Leaders.

In Iraq, we have killed or captured most of the enemy
leaders, and are openly trying to capture the ones who are
still at large.

3) in Vietnam, the US never stated any type of goal, and the
Armed Forces were hampered by constant political
interference and "Peace Talks" that lasted many years.

In Iraq, we bombed them alot first, and except for Rumsfeld
not providing the amount of troops necessary, the US has
done most of it right (More Troops are needed). The stated
goal was to take over Iraq and turn it into a Democracy
similar to Japan and Germany after World War II.

4) Casualties- Due to the constant fighting in the jungles,
the corruption of the South Vietnam military, and the
complicity of the Vietnamese; the US Soldiers took heavy
casualties. 54,000 dead, around 200,000 injured.

In Iraq, there is no forest or jungle. The "insurgents" are
limited to constant roadside bombings and roadside attacks
and bushwacking soldiers who are doing Patrols inside the
cities. While there is daily fighting, attacks, and
casualties; the battles are on a much smaller scale. That is
because there is no way a full-sized battallion of
Terrrorist Soldiers could get into Iraq along with its
necessary support. Any such concentration of troops would
get bombed into the Stone Age by the US Troops. So the
"Insurgents" are limited to small squads which attack US
Soldiers and Iraq Police. Of course, there is no "good" way
to look at daily casualties. However compared to Vietnam,
where 54,000 US Soldiers died, Iraq is a much better
controlled war. Less than 850 Soldiers have been killed in
over a year in Iraq. Hopefully as the Iraq Police take over
more functions, they will be the ones getting killed by
their fellow Muslims.

So, Jeri, what kind of bike do you ride? Are you interested in recumbent bikes/trikes? Do you prefer USS or OSS? Do you think bike/trike prices are too high or about right for the market? If you were in Iraq and had to ride a bike, what bike would you ride? Probably full suspension, huh? With all those bomb holes and all, ya know. If you could have two wishes, and we know your first one would be world peace, what would your second one be? A high racer or a racing trike? You seem to be a very opinionated person, so please answer these bike/trike related questions, as this is a bike/trike forum. Looking forward to your bike/ related response. Peace

Jeri Toll wrote:

> IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:...

Congratulations on your knowledge of geography.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"If you were in Iraq and had to ride a bike, what bike would
you ride? Probably full suspension, huh? With all those bomb
holes and all, ya know."

I had a great Jordanian roommate a few years ago, but it
took putting a gun to his head to get him on a bicycle. (Not
really, but he did make certain no one he knew saw him.) The
aversion that most Arab men have to riding a two-wheeler is
so great that it might actually constitute torture to compel
them to ride one.

As for the type of bike that would be best to ride, there
just aren't many bicycles that are worth a hoot in the
desert, at least not in low desert with lots of sand. Riding
any sort of dirt bike or MTB would be fine in the high
desert areas, though... or in the Kurdish areas in the north
that aren't unlike some of our own mountain terrain. Any
place else, however, I think you'd also probably want to
mount an M16, and put a couple of grenades in the water
bottle mounts... using a large camelbak for water. But
strictly speaking you'd be more likely to get run over by a
car in Baghdad, than get shot by an "insurgent." (Which is
kind of an anemic term for what these folks do, frankly.
Somehow the word "insurgent" reminds me of a run on the
beach, not a head being sawed off a screaming captive, with
a dull knife.)

But I do think Dubai may have some avid sports enthusiasts,
being what passes for the "fitness capital" of Arabia. And
it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of finished bicycles passed
through the ports of the UAE. Next to Taiwan it has one of
the busiest shipping port facilities in the world.

--
--Scott "Wolverine" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote
in message
news:nJlDc.84965$341.2576@fe24.usenetserver.com...
> Jeri Toll wrote:
> > IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:
> > 1) in Vietnam, the US was fighting another nation,
> > North Vietnam, and forces which were coming in from
> > Cambodia, Laos, and China. In Iraq, we already
> > conquered the enemy, and are fighting terrorists
who
> > are coming in from Syria, Iran, etc. There is a big
> > difference.
> > 2) in Vietnam, the US allowed Pol-Pot, and other
> > Communist Leaders to participate in the Media, and
> > they were allowed to travel to other nations and
> > create Public Relations problems, etc. The US had a
Hands-
> > Off approach to the Communist Leaders. In Iraq, we
> > have killed or captured most of the enemy leaders,
> > and are openly trying to capture the ones who are
> > still at large.
> > 3) in Vietnam, the US never stated any type of goal,
> > and the Armed Forces were hampered by constant
> > political interference and "Peace Talks" that
> > lasted many years. In Iraq, we bombed them alot
> > first, and except for Rumsfeld not providing the
> > amount of troops necessary, the US has done most of
> > it right (More Troops are needed). The stated goal
> > was to take over Iraq and turn it into a Democracy
> > similar to Japan and Germany after World War II.
> > 4) Casualties- Due to the constant fighting in the
> > jungles, the corruption of the South Vietnam
> > military, and the complicity of the Vietnamese; the
> > US Soldiers took heavy casualties. 54,000 dead,
> > around 200,000 injured. In Iraq, there is no forest
> > or jungle. The "insurgents" are limited to constant
> > roadside bombings and roadside attacks and
> > bushwacking
soldiers
> > who are doing Patrols inside the cities. While there
> > is daily
fighting,
> > attacks, and casualties; the battles are on a much
> > smaller scale. That is because there is no way a full-
> > sized battallion of Terrrorist Soldiers could get into
> > Iraq along with its necessary support. Any
such
> > concentration of troops would get bombed into the
> > Stone Age by the US Troops. So the "Insurgents" are
> > limited to small squads which attack
US
> > Soldiers and Iraq Police. Of course, there is no
> > "good" way to look at daily casualties. However
> > compared to Vietnam, where 54,000 US
Soldiers
> > died, Iraq is a much better controlled war. Less than
> > 850 Soldiers
have
> > been killed in over a year in Iraq. Hopefully as the
> > Iraq Police take over more functions, they will be the
> > ones getting killed by their fellow Muslims.
>
>
> So, Jeri, what kind of bike do you ride? Are you
> interested in recumbent bikes/trikes? Do you prefer USS or
> OSS? Do you think bike/trike prices are too high or about
> right for the market? If you were in Iraq and had to ride
> a bike, what bike would you ride? Probably full
> suspension, huh? With all those bomb holes and all, ya
> know. If you could have two wishes, and we know your first
> one would be world peace, what would your second one be? A
> high racer or a racing trike? You seem to be a very
> opinionated person, so please answer these bike/trike
> related questions, as this is a bike/trike forum. Looking
> forward to your bike/ related response. Peace
>
>
>
> --

Freewheeling wrote:

> ... strictly speaking you'd be more likely to get run over
> by a car in Baghdad, than get shot by an "insurgent."
> (Which is kind of an anemic term for what these folks do,
> frankly....

Foreign Occupation Resistance Worker is the correct term.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
news:2k65trF182jfnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Jeri Toll wrote:
>
> > IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:...
>
> Congratulations on your knowledge of geography.

Geography counts too you numskull!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
news:2k6jg3F17p48jU2@uni-berlin.de...
> Freewheeling wrote:
>
> > ... strictly speaking you'd be more likely to get run
> > over by a car in
Baghdad,
> > than get shot by an "insurgent." (Which is kind of an
> > anemic term for
what
> > these folks do, frankly....
>
> Foreign Occupation Resistance Worker is the correct term.

got other words to describe them if you are interested!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Jeri Toll" <jeritoll@aol.com> wrote in message
news:NgjDc.28951$Y3.16324@newsread2.....earthlink.net...
>
> IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:
>
> 1) in Vietnam, the US was fighting another nation, North
> Vietnam, and
forces
> which were coming in from Cambodia, Laos, and China.
>
> In Iraq, we already conquered the enemy, and are fighting
> terrorists who
are
> coming in from Syria, Iran, etc. There is a big
> difference.
>
> 2) in Vietnam, the US allowed Pol-Pot, and other Communist
> Leaders to participate in the Media, and they were
> allowed to travel to other nations and create Public
> Relations problems, etc. The US had a Hands-Off
> approach to the Communist Leaders.
>
> In Iraq, we have killed or captured most of the enemy
> leaders, and are openly trying to capture the ones who are
> still at large.
>
> 3) in Vietnam, the US never stated any type of goal, and
> the Armed Forces were hampered by constant political
> interference and "Peace Talks" that lasted many years.
>
> In Iraq, we bombed them alot first, and except for
> Rumsfeld not providing the amount of troops necessary, the
> US has done most of it right (More Troops are needed). The
> stated goal was to take over Iraq and turn it into
a
> Democracy similar to Japan and Germany after World War II.
>
> 4) Casualties- Due to the constant fighting in the
> jungles, the corruption of the South Vietnam military,
> and the complicity of the Vietnamese; the
US
> Soldiers took heavy casualties. 54,000 dead, around
> 200,000 injured.
>
> In Iraq, there is no forest or jungle. The "insurgents"
> are limited to constant roadside bombings and roadside
> attacks and bushwacking soldiers
who
> are doing Patrols inside the cities. While there is daily
> fighting,
attacks,
> and casualties; the battles are on a much smaller scale.
> That is because there is no way a full-sized battallion of
> Terrrorist Soldiers could get into Iraq along with its
> necessary support. Any such concentration of
troops
> would get bombed into the Stone Age by the US Troops. So
> the "Insurgents" are limited to small squads which attack
> US Soldiers and Iraq Police. Of course, there is no "good"
> way to look at daily casualties. However
compared
> to Vietnam, where 54,000 US Soldiers died, Iraq is a
> much better
controlled
> war. Less than 850 Soldiers have been killed in over a
> year in Iraq. Hopefully as the Iraq Police take over more
> functions, they will be the
ones
> getting killed by their fellow Muslims.

Jeri, where have you been all my life? You and I are on the
same page (unlike most of the other nuts and screwballs who
inhabit ARBR). The g.d. major media do not report what the
facts are anymore. They have become nothing but liberal
propagandists and have only one aim in their miserable lives
- and that is to get Bush and the Republicans out of office.
And they do not care how they do it either. I give you Al
Gore and Michael Moore as premier examples of the species.

Maybe between the two of us we can drive the despicable Mr.
Tom Sherman and his ilk off this newsgroup. They are nothing
but gadflies, but annoying none the less. They need to have
wooden stakes driven through their foul hearts like the
blood sucking vampires that they are. They would like
nothing better than for Vietnam to repeat itself in Iraq.
G.D. their rotten souls all the way to hell and back!

By the way, Michael Moore is a big fat treasonous pig!!! I
mean he is one ugly S.O.B.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Wolverine <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
>
> So, Jeri, what kind of bike do you ride? Are you
> interested in recumbent bikes/trikes? Do you prefer USS or
> OSS? Do you think bike/trike prices are too high or about
> right for the market? If you were in Iraq and had to ride
> a bike, what bike would you ride? Probably full
> suspension, huh? With all those bomb holes and all, ya
> know. If you could have two wishes, and we know your first
> one would be world peace, what would your second one be? A
> high racer or a racing trike? You seem to be a very
> opinionated person, so please answer these bike/trike
> related questions, as this is a bike/trike forum. Looking
> forward to your bike/ related response. Peace
>
Hee Hee Hee! Armored velomobile, of course. Sure as Hell not
an Iraq or Vietnam 'bent...

OH ED!!! ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!

Chris

"Christopher Jordan" <flash_j_95060@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8a845efd.0406261917.63bcf3dd@posting.google.com...
> Wolverine <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in
> message
> >
> > So, Jeri, what kind of bike do you ride? Are you
> > interested in recumbent bikes/trikes? Do you prefer
> > USS or OSS? Do you think bike/trike prices are too
> > high or about right for the market? If you were in
> > Iraq and had to ride a bike, what bike would you ride?
> > Probably full suspension, huh? With all those bomb
> > holes and all, ya know. If you could have two wishes,
> > and we know your first one would be world peace, what
> > would your second one be? A high racer or a racing
> > trike? You seem to be a very opinionated person, so
> > please answer these bike/trike related questions, as
> > this is a bike/trike forum. Looking forward to your
> > bike/ related response. Peace
> >
> Hee Hee Hee! Armored velomobile, of course. Sure as Hell
> not an Iraq or Vietnam 'bent...
>
> OH ED!!! ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!

Yes, it has been a bit of a draught here on ARBR lately, but
I have loaded my guns and I was just waiting for a post like
this one. I will now have my work cut out for me for the
next several days, weeks, months - who knows - it could go
on forever! The liberals ye shall always have with you, but
I am only here with you for a little while.

Whether I can find the strength to ward off all the
resulting obnoxious and pestiferous liberal posts only
time will tell. But I will be damned if I am gong to end
up in a mental hospital just because of liberal posting
here on ARBR. If it gets to be too much for me, I will
bail out and let ARBR go to hell - since that is where it
wants to go anyway!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message news:2k65trF182jfnU1@uni-
> berlin.de...
>
>>Jeri Toll wrote:
>>
>>
>>>IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:...
>>
>>Congratulations on your knowledge of geography.
>
>
> Geography counts too you numskull!

Hey Ed, you are not making any sense here. My post was not
in any way derogatory of the study of geography.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Delusional mental patient "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> speweth thus:

> "Christopher Jordan" <flash_j_95060@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> news:8a845efd.0406261917.63bcf3dd@posting.google.com...
> > Wolverine <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in
> > message
> > >
> > > So, Jeri, what kind of bike do you ride? Are you
> > > interested in
recumbent
> > > bikes/trikes? Do you prefer USS or OSS? Do you think
> > > bike/trike prices are too high or about right for the
> > > market? If you were in Iraq and
had
> > > to ride a bike, what bike would you ride? Probably
> > > full suspension,
huh?< <snip of funny stuff>
> > >
> > Hee Hee Hee! Armored velomobile, of course. Sure as Hell
> > not an Iraq or Vietnam 'bent...
> >
> > OH ED!!! ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!
>
> Yes, it has been a bit of a draught here on ARBR lately,
> but I have loaded my guns

BWAAAHAHAAAAA! And just what do you think you're going to do
with that pop gun, besides compensate for your shortcomings?

> and I was just waiting for a post like this one.

Uh huh. Still living in your cold-war bomb shelter?

HEY ED! THE COMMIES ARE COMING!!!

ROTFLMAO

> I will now have my work cut out for me for the next
> several days, weeks, months - who
knows -
> it could go on forever! The liberals ye shall always have
> with you, but I
am
> only here with you for a little while.

I hope that my blood-pressure-raising taunts don't hasten
your meeting with your maker. Oh, that would be a tragedy
indeed. LOL.

> Whether I can find the strength to ward off all the
> resulting obnoxious
and
> pestiferous liberal posts only time will tell.

How do you find enough space in your tiny brain for all of
that arrogance and hubris? I guess it had to displace the
areas normally reserved for sense, humility and knowledge.

> But I will be damned if I am gong to end up in a mental
> hospital just because of liberal posting here
on
> ARBR. If it gets to be too much for me, I will bail out
> and let ARBR go to hell - since that is where it wants to
> go anyway!

Translation: "I can't argue against facts and reason, so
I'll cut and run like all chicken**** wingnut dittoheads."

Remember: Every one of your shortcomings is the fault of
Liberals, because Jesus told you so.

I look forward to eating your lunch.

@

"@" <@@@.com> wrote in message news:FtsDc.123419$0y.18709@attbi_s03...
> Delusional mental patient "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> speweth thus:
>
> > Yes, it has been a bit of a draught here on ARBR lately,
> > but I have
loaded
> > my guns
>
> BWAAAHAHAAAAA! And just what do you think you're going to
> do with that
pop
> gun, besides compensate for your shortcomings?

We all have to ask ourselves about now what credence we can
impart to some who calls himself @. Why am I always being
saddled with all the idiots here on ARBR?

> > and I was just waiting for a post like this one.
>
> Uh huh. Still living in your cold-war bomb shelter?
>
> HEY ED! THE COMMIES ARE COMING!!!
>
> ROTFLMAO

The commies have been totally discredited by history. It is
now the liberal's turn to be discredited. Kind of scares you
doesn't it?

> > I will now have my work cut out for me for the next
> > several days, weeks, months - who
> knows -
> > it could go on forever! The liberals ye shall always
> > have with you, but
I
> am
> > only here with you for a little while.
>
> I hope that my blood-pressure-raising taunts don't hasten
> your meeting
with
> your maker. Oh, that would be a tragedy indeed. LOL.

I am on plenty of high blood pressure medication so that
idiots like you can't get to me. Frustrating isn't it?

> > Whether I can find the strength to ward off all the
> > resulting obnoxious
> and
> > pestiferous liberal posts only time will tell.
>
> How do you find enough space in your tiny brain for all of
> that arrogance and hubris? I guess it had to displace the
> areas normally reserved for sense, humility and knowledge.

I do pride myself on my sense and knowledge, but why should
I pretend to a humility which would ill suit me. That is the
one virtue that you should spend all of your time
cultivating. You have got lots to be humble about.

> > But I will be damned if I am gong to end up in a mental
> > hospital just because of liberal posting here
> on
> > ARBR. If it gets to be too much for me, I will bail out
> > and let ARBR go
to
> > hell - since that is where it wants to go anyway!
>
> Translation: "I can't argue against facts and reason, so
> I'll cut and run like all chicken**** wingnut dittoheads."

By the way, did you know that Rush Limbaugh is the most
astute and intelligent political analyst in the country
today? Yes, it is true. In fact, he may be a genius when it
comes to political analysis. I recommend that you spend 3
hours every day listening to him like I do. Even a
blockhead like you could maybe benefit from some wisdom.
Whatever you do, pay no attention to Michael Moore because
he is a big fat treasonous pig with no brain. Or did I just
describe you?

> Remember: Every one of your shortcomings is the fault of
> Liberals,
because
> Jesus told you so.

Anyone who has been reading me on this newsgroup knows that
I am the resident atheist. You really ought to do your
homework before you undertake to post to this group. We
aren't all idiots like you are.

> I look forward to eating your lunch.

Anyone know what this idiot is talking about? I think
the @ stand for asshole, so that is what I will call him
from now on.

> @

Bye Bye Asshole!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
news:2k73pdF192643U1@uni-berlin.de...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
> > news:2k65trF182jfnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>Jeri Toll wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:...
> >>
> >>Congratulations on your knowledge of geography.
> >
> >
> > Geography counts too you numskull!
>
> Hey Ed, you are not making any sense here. My post was not
> in any way derogatory of the study of geography.

I suspect you, like most liberals, would like to see the US
repeat its experience of Vietnam. Like all liberals you do
not like the US ever to take strong military action anywhere
ever no matter the provocation. If it can't be solved by
diplomacy, then it can't be solved. So live with it!

I disagree with all that kind of thinking. I want the US to
take strong military action in the world as there is no else
that will except the rogues and murderers like the Muslim
terrorists. You can have your France, I will take President
Bush any old day of the week and twice on Sunday.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message news:2k73pdF192643U1@uni-
> berlin.de...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
>>>news:2k65trF182jfnU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jeri Toll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>IRAQ IS NOT VIETNAM:...
>>>>
>>>>Congratulations on your knowledge of geography.
>>>
>>>
>>>Geography counts too you numskull!
>>
>>Hey Ed, you are not making any sense here. My post was not
>>in any way derogatory of the study of geography.
>
>
> I suspect you, like most liberals, would like to see the
> US repeat its experience of Vietnam. Like all liberals
> you do not like the US ever to take strong military
> action anywhere ever no matter the provocation. If it
> can't be solved by diplomacy, then it can't be solved. So
> live with it!
>
> I disagree with all that kind of thinking. I want the
> US to take strong military action in the world as there
> is no else that will except the rogues and murderers
> like the Muslim terrorists. You can have your France, I
> will take President Bush any old day of the week and
> twice on Sunday.

I think that E.D. is losing it, since his responses seem to
be disconnected from the previous post.

Again, how was I being derogatory of geography?

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area