What happened to BentRiderOnline? - Page 2

For me, it's cross platform uniformity. I run a couple
Win2000 boxes and a Linux box and I like to use the same
browser on each.

Edward Dolan wrote:

>
> Why is anyone using Mozilla when everyone else in the
> world is using Microsoft IE? Even Netscape creates
> problems that I don't get on IE. I would be interested in
> hearing what it is that you don't like about IE. It seems
> fast but is sometimes a bit unstable when you pile up too
> many web sites. What am I missing?

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <lvarney@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:YFfHc.11636$1F6.3616@fe37.usenetserver.com...
>
>> I've heard from a couple of people that they've been
>> having problems getting in. I'm not sure what the
>> common denominator is. I'm using Mozilla (on Linux),
>> but I haven't updated it lately. I wonder if that's a
>> clue? If everyone who is having problems, did they
>> recently make some changes to their browser and/or
>> computer in general? I do think that 'waiting for
>> 127.0.0.1 may be a smoking gun as well.
>>
>>John Rooker wrote:
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I'm having the same problem. I use Mozilla as well. I did
>>>a bunch of updates on Mozilla apps, Thunderbird, Firefox
>>>and Moz 1.7 and then discovered the problem with BROL. I
>>>have another PC that I did not update and it's going
>>>fine. When I try to access BROL, it says "Waiting for
>>>127.0.0.1 which is weird...that's Localhost..
>>>
>>>chrisbacon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks for the replies, the problem is obviously on my
>>>>end. I started using Mozilla instead of MS Internet
>>>>Explorer, but even MSIE just sits there with the status
>>>>Opening page
>>>>http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm
>>>>
>>>>I'll figure it out.
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>
>
> Why is anyone using Mozilla when everyone else in the
> world is using Microsoft IE? Even Netscape creates
> problems that I don't get on IE. I would be interested in
> hearing what it is that you don't like about IE. It seems
> fast but is sometimes a bit unstable when you pile up too
> many web sites. What am I missing?
>
I'm using Firefox as my browser, not Mozilla. Firefox is a
stand alone browser produced by the Mozilla organization.
Here are the reasons I use Firefox.
- I like the tabs for page management.
- Built in popup blocker.
- Firefox generally feels faster than IE.
- I use Linux and Windows. IE doesn't run on Linux.
- I find that for the pages I use Firefox hangs less than
IE. That being said, both IE and Firefox exhibit far to
much quirky behavior.
- I'm an advocate of open source software. Given 2
solutions, and all other things being nearly equal, I'll
go with the open source solution.

-John

"MLB" <mikeb46815@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns952098BE04ED2mikeb46815yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in news:98ydnVBhvNPiOXDdRVn-
> hQ@prairiewave.com:
>
> >
> > "Larry Varney" <lvarney@fuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:YFfHc.11636$1F6.3616@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> >> I've heard from a couple of people that they've been
> >> having problems getting in. I'm not sure what the
> >> common denominator is. I'm using Mozilla (on Linux),
> >> but I haven't updated it lately. I wonder if that's
> >> a clue? If everyone who is having problems, did they
> >> recently make some changes to their browser and/or
> >> computer in general? I do think that 'waiting for
> >> 127.0.0.1 may be a smoking gun as well.
> >>
> >> John Rooker wrote:
> >> > Chris,
> >> >
> >> > I'm having the same problem. I use Mozilla as well. I
> >> > did a bunch of updates on Mozilla apps, Thunderbird,
> >> > Firefox and Moz 1.7 and then discovered the problem
> >> > with BROL. I have another PC that I did not update
> >> > and it's going fine. When I try to access BROL, it
> >> > says "Waiting for 127.0.0.1 which is weird...that's
> >> > Localhost..
> >> >
> >> > chrisbacon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Thanks for the replies, the problem is obviously on
> >> >> my end. I started using Mozilla instead of MS
> >> >> Internet Explorer, but even MSIE just sits there
> >> >> with the status Opening page
> >> >> http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll figure it out.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris
> >
> > Why is anyone using Mozilla when everyone else in the
> > world is using Microsoft IE? Even Netscape creates
> > problems that I don't get on IE. I would be interested
> > in hearing what it is that you don't like about
> > IE. It seems fast but is sometimes a bit unstable when
> > you pile up too many web sites. What am I missing?
> >
>
> Guess you missed that nationwide call from computer
> experts that "it's time to switch" of IE due to the
> proliferation of more complex bugs every month. The latest
> security problem is MAJOR and not to be ignored. You have
> been warned.

Good Grief! I have got an anti-virus program (QuickHeal)
which updates automatically every day, I have got ZoneAlarm
(a firewall) and I have got SpyBot for adware and spyware. I
also download all the Microsoft updates religiously. What
else do I need? If IE is taken down, I suspect Mozilla won't
be far behind.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

In article <7ffHc.69551$7f4.54089@fe05.usenetserver.com>,
usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com says...
> Thanks for the replies, the problem is obviously on my
> end. I started using Mozilla instead of MS Internet
> Explorer, but even MSIE just sits there with the status
> Opening page
> http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm
>
> I'll figure it out.
>
I don't think the problem is on your end. Last night I
got two empty frames and the ubiquitous message "Waiting
on 127.0.0.1" This was on Firefox and IE. Today at work
All is dandy.

BTW the link to the forums (on another server)
http://p206.ezboard.com/bbentrideronline worked fine on
every browser I tried. I think the problem is on the BROL
host server. The reverence to the localhost (127.0.0.1) is
suspicious.

--

Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager
http://www.clee.org
- Bellaire, TX USA -

"John Knezevich" <johnknez@stny.remove.this.to.reply.rr.com> wrote in
message news:53iHc.42538$iJ4.34066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
> > Why is anyone using Mozilla when everyone else in the
> > world is using Microsoft IE? Even Netscape creates
> > problems that I don't get on IE. I
would
> > be interested in hearing what it is that you don't like
> > about IE. It
seems
> > fast but is sometimes a bit unstable when you pile up
> > too many web
sites.
> > What am I missing?
> >
> I'm using Firefox as my browser, not Mozilla. Firefox is a
> stand alone browser produced by the Mozilla organization.
> Here are the reasons I use Firefox.
> - I like the tabs for page management.
> - Built in popup blocker.
> - Firefox generally feels faster than IE.
> - I use Linux and Windows. IE doesn't run on Linux.
> - I find that for the pages I use Firefox hangs less than
> IE. That being said, both IE and Firefox exhibit far to
> much quirky behavior.
> - I'm an advocate of open source software. Given 2
> solutions, and all other things being nearly equal, I'll
> go with the open source solution.
>
> -John

John, anyone who uses two operating systems is way beyond my
level of competence. I figure I can spend the rest of my
life trying to figure out Windows XP. IE as a browser seems
to work well most of the time, but it likes to freeze on me
more than I would like. Usually a reboot will correct the
problem, but sometimes I have to go to a restore point in
order to get back to a normal operating condition.

I am an old dog now and I refuse to learn any new tricks. I
grew up in an era where all you had to know was how to turn
something on and how to turn something off and tune the
station and adjust the volume. All this computer stuff is
going to be the death of me.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I'm using MSN Premium on Verizon DSL. It worked fine, now
all of a sudden I get the same blank page symptom that the
original poster has. Every other site works fine. I have
reverted to IE and it is the same. It is fine with my dial
up from here at the shop. I have tried all the regular
remedies to no success????? Hope someone figures it out. I
will play with it again tonight.

Jude

Cletus Lee <Newsgrp@clee.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b5772bfc27cabe49899fb@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <7ffHc.69551$7f4.54089@fe05.usenetserver.com>,
usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com says...
> > Thanks for the replies, the problem is obviously on my
> > end. I started
using Mozilla instead of MS Internet Explorer, but even MSIE
just sits there with the status
> > Opening page
> > http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm
> >
> > I'll figure it out.
> >
> I don't think the problem is on your end. Last night I got
> two empty
frames and the ubiquitous
> message "Waiting on 127.0.0.1" This was on Firefox and IE.
> Today at work
All is dandy.
>
> BTW the link to the forums (on another server)
http://p206.ezboard.com/bbentrideronline worked fine
> on every browser I tried. I think the problem is on the
> BROL host server.
The reverence to the
> localhost (127.0.0.1) is suspicious.
>
> --
>
> Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager
> http://www.clee.org
> - Bellaire, TX USA -

"John Rooker" <jwrooker50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2l5oobF8keo1U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> >
> > Why is anyone using Mozilla when everyone else in the
> > world is using Microsoft IE? Even Netscape creates
> > problems that I don't get on IE. I
would
> > be interested in hearing what it is that you don't like
> > about IE. It
seems
> > fast but is sometimes a bit unstable when you pile up
> > too many web
sites.
> > What am I missing?

> For me, it's cross platform uniformity. I run a couple
> Win2000 boxes and a Linux box and I like to use the same
> browser on each.
>

Good Grief! Who are these people who are running more than
one operating system? I am surprised you are not also
running a Mac (Apple) OS as well, although I guess you need
a separate computer for that.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I tried uninstalling Mozilla 1.7 and Firefox, but IE (version 6.0.2800) still doesn't work. At various times I saw all of the things that have been reported. Upper frame blank, looking for that IP address (127.0.0.0 or whatever it is). Every other site is ok, so it must be some combination of the BROL site and what I have on my system.

I just tried getting in using my laptop (Windows XP up to date, same IE version) and get the same result in the lower left:

"Opening page http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm..."

Since I did never installed Mozilla or Firefox on the laptop, it doesn't seem like they would be the source of the problem.

Ain't computers fun?

Chris

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <lvarney@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:YFfHc.11636$1F6.3616@fe37.usenetserver.com...
>
>> I've heard from a couple of people that they've been
>> having problems getting in. I'm not sure what the
>> common denominator is. I'm using Mozilla (on Linux),
>> but I haven't updated it lately. I wonder if that's a
>> clue? If everyone who is having problems, did they
>> recently make some changes to their browser and/or
>> computer in general? I do think that 'waiting for
>> 127.0.0.1 may be a smoking gun as well.
>>
>>John Rooker wrote:
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I'm having the same problem. I use Mozilla as well. I did
>>>a bunch of updates on Mozilla apps, Thunderbird, Firefox
>>>and Moz 1.7 and then discovered the problem with BROL. I
>>>have another PC that I did not update and it's going
>>>fine. When I try to access BROL, it says "Waiting for
>>>127.0.0.1 which is weird...that's Localhost..
>>>
>>>chrisbacon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks for the replies, the problem is obviously on my
>>>>end. I started using Mozilla instead of MS Internet
>>>>Explorer, but even MSIE just sits there with the status
>>>>Opening page
>>>>http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm
>>>>
>>>>I'll figure it out.
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>
>
> Why is anyone using Mozilla when everyone else in the
> world is using Microsoft IE? Even Netscape creates
> problems that I don't get on IE. I would be interested in
> hearing what it is that you don't like about IE. It seems
> fast but is sometimes a bit unstable when you pile up too
> many web sites. What am I missing?
>
I like the way Netscape/Mozilla/Firefox has a personal
toolbar on top for organizing bookmarks. I also like the tabbed-
browsing feature. And I like that most viruses are targetted
towards IE so not using it (or Outlook) makes me a little
bit safer. And I think the file scheme that Netscape uses is
cleaner and more straight foward than IE, which makes it
easier to backup, and move to other computers. And I've been
usng it for years so...why switch. It used to be that with
the prior version of Netscape, every so often I would run
across a web site that didn't work and would have to bring
up IE to see it. Haven't had that problem since upgrading to
Netscape 7 about 8 months ago.

rr

If I had my druthers, it would be Linux and nothing else,
but we have to have some Windows machines for my wife's job.

Edward Dolan wrote:

> Good Grief! Who are these people who are running more than
> one operating system? I am surprised you are not also
> running a Mac (Apple) OS as well, although I guess you
> need a separate computer for that.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in news:PJudnYrc_rKYKXDdRVn-
ug@prairiewave.com:

>
> "MLB" <mikeb46815@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns952098BE04ED2mikeb46815yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in news:98ydnVBhvNPiOXDdRVn-
>> hQ@prairiewave.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "Larry Varney" <lvarney@fuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:YFfHc.11636$1F6.3616@fe37.usenetserver.com...
>> >> I've heard from a couple of people that they've
>> >> been having problems getting in. I'm not sure what
>> >> the common denominator is. I'm using Mozilla (on
>> >> Linux), but I haven't updated it lately. I wonder
>> >> if that's a clue? If everyone who is having
>> >> problems, did they
recently
>> >> make some changes to their browser and/or computer in
>> >> general? I do think that 'waiting for 127.0.0.1 may be
>> >> a smoking gun as well.
>> >>
>> >> John Rooker wrote:
>> >> > Chris,
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm having the same problem. I use Mozilla as well.
>> >> > I did a
bunch
>> >> > of updates on Mozilla apps, Thunderbird, Firefox and
>> >> > Moz 1.7 and then discovered the problem with BROL. I
>> >> > have another PC that I did not update and it's going
>> >> > fine. When I try to access BROL,
it
>> >> > says "Waiting for 127.0.0.1 which is weird...that's
>> >> > Localhost..
>> >> >
>> >> > chrisbacon wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Thanks for the replies, the problem is obviously on
>> >> >> my end. I started using Mozilla instead of MS
>> >> >> Internet Explorer, but even MSIE just sits there
>> >> >> with the status Opening page
>> >> >> http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'll figure it out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris
>> >
>> > Why is anyone using Mozilla when everyone else in the
>> > world is
using
>> > Microsoft IE? Even Netscape creates problems that I
>> > don't get on
IE. I
>> > would be interested in hearing what it is that you
>> > don't like about
>> > IE. It seems fast but is sometimes a bit unstable when
>> > you pile up
too
>> > many web sites. What am I missing?
>> >
>>
>> Guess you missed that nationwide call from computer
>> experts that
"it's
>> time to switch" of IE due to the proliferation of more
>> complex bugs every month. The latest security problem is
>> MAJOR and not to be
ignored.
>> You have been warned.
>
> Good Grief! I have got an anti-virus program (QuickHeal)
> which updates automatically every day, I have got
> ZoneAlarm (a firewall) and I have
got
> SpyBot for adware and spyware. I also download all the
> Microsoft
updates
> religiously. What else do I need? If IE is taken down,
> I suspect
Mozilla
> won't be far behind.
>

You haven't been reading!! The new worms and viruses are
MUCH more elaborate than the old types that attacked one
known vulnerability. The new ones are seeming to use
multiple attacks on multiple openings. Much harder to detect
and treat. They are also more virulent and dangerous. What
you have for protection is what EVERYONE has. It's not
enough. ANd will be even less sufficient from here forward.
There is a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE difference in the user base of
IE to anything else. Nothing else gets even 1% of the
attention of the hackers, not to mention MS ineptitude in
fixing the PROBLEM as a whole instead of sticking one finger
in one hole each time. Ask someone that knows this stuff (I
don't) and they'll tell you that IE is
BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, as in unbelievably bad. As
in, shouldn't be on the market bad............. It has
always been bad, but now it's dangerously bad for you
personal information! The new programs allowed them to
access bank records and other institutional sources. They
could gain access to your credit cards, account numbers, etc
WITHOUT YOU EVER USING THEM on the web. One also that
corrupted hard drives, making them unusable! Not a kill it
and you're ok thing anymore! There is a VERY LARGE
difference between today and a year ago when it comes to
internet problems. Keep IE and you'll find out. Eventually.

Cletus Lee wrote:
> In article <7ffHc.69551$7f4.54089@fe05.usenetserver.com>,
> usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com says...
>
>>Thanks for the replies, the problem is obviously on my
>>end. I started using Mozilla instead of MS Internet
>>Explorer, but even MSIE just sits there with the status
>>Opening page
>>http://www.bentrideronline.com/Vol5.4/cover.htm
>>
>>I'll figure it out.
>>
>
> I don't think the problem is on your end. Last night I got
> two empty frames and the ubiquitous message "Waiting on
> 127.0.0.1" This was on Firefox and IE. Today at work All
> is dandy.
>
> BTW the link to the forums (on another server)
> http://p206.ezboard.com/bbentrideronline worked fine on
> every browser I tried. I think the problem is on the BROL
> host server. The reverence to the localhost (127.0.0.1) is
> suspicious.
>
Yes, the reference to 127.0.0.1 is suspicious. I had been
experiencing the same problems accessing BROL since
installing Mozilla 1.7 last week. I had been using 1.6 with
no problems before. By using an older PC with Windows 98, I
was able to get to BROL. I then looked at the page source
for both the top and main frames. They include lines like:
<script language='javascript'
src='http://127.0.0.1:1026/js.cgi?pa&r=14272'></script>

If you turn off Javascript in Mozilla, BROL loads fine. It
just doesn't look as "pretty" as it used to.

You can turn off Javascript by going to
Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Scripts & Plugins and unchecking
the "Enable JavaScript For: Navigator" checkbox.

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <lvarney@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:LnfHc.11635$1F6.7112@fe37.usenetserver.com... [...]
>
>> It's a fun ride - and I recommend the Tour of the
>> Scioto River Valley to everyone - it's not really that
>> tough, just a few rollers along the southern third. And
>> the murals on the floodwalls in Portsmouth make it all
>> worthwhile. But don't stop with just that article -
>> read the rest of them. Maybe I'll see you - and lots of
>> other readers/posters on Bike Florida, GITAP, TRIRI,
>> the Florida Bicycle Safari, etc.!
>
>
> Varney is doing nothing but easy rides. He needs to go
> West and do some more difficult rides. I recommend BRAN
> (Nebraska) or CANDISC (North Dakota) and he would soon
> find out what he is made of.
>

I was just talking to someone who rode BRAN this year.
She said the almost incessant wind just about drove her
crazy. And as for CANDISC, a friend of mine rode that
last year. He said it was fun, but not particularly
tough. If you want something tough, try the century route
of the Old Kentucky Home Tour. It's just 2-day weekend
ride, but the century on Saturday has three of the
toughest hills I've ever encountered, right at the 92-
mile mark. I'm serious when I say that you almost feel
like the front wheel is going to come off the ground!

--
Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

"Larry Varney" <lvarney@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:UroHc.11723$1F6.9979@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > "Larry Varney" <lvarney@fuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:LnfHc.11635$1F6.7112@fe37.usenetserver.com... [...]
> >
> >> It's a fun ride - and I recommend the Tour of the
> >> Scioto River Valley to everyone - it's not really
> >> that tough, just a few rollers along the southern
> >> third. And the murals on the floodwalls in Portsmouth
> >> make it all worthwhile. But don't stop with just that
> >> article - read the rest of them. Maybe I'll see you -
> >> and lots of other readers/posters on Bike Florida,
> >> GITAP, TRIRI, the Florida Bicycle Safari, etc.!
> >
> >
> > Varney is doing nothing but easy rides. He needs to go
> > West and do some
more
> > difficult rides. I recommend BRAN (Nebraska) or CANDISC
> > (North Dakota)
and
> > he would soon find out what he is made of.
> >
>
> I was just talking to someone who rode BRAN this year.
> She said the almost incessant wind just about drove her
> crazy. And as for CANDISC, a friend of mine rode that
> last year. He said it was fun, but not particularly
> tough. If you want something tough, try the century
> route of the Old Kentucky Home Tour. It's just 2-day
> weekend ride, but the century on Saturday has three of
> the toughest hills I've ever encountered, right at the
> 92-mile mark. I'm serious when I say that you almost
> feel like the front wheel is going to come off the
> ground!

Larry, I never do centuries. I hate them with a passion! The
main Wisconsin ride which I have often done (GRABAAWR)
averages about 70 miles per day. That is more than enough.
However, I do note that many Eastern rides will average far
less than that. I heartily approve of such rides as just
piling up miles is brainless and counter productive to
enjoyment. When I am doing a week long group tour I like to
have a bit of time to myself and not have to spend all day
just pedaling. The GOBA (Ohio) has got it right as far as I
am concerned. The Bike Florida has also got it right.

BRAN is a devil of a ride, CANDISC is not so bad, but the
daily mileage can be a bit much some years. The main problem
with these rides as far as I am concerned are the eternal
winds which detract greatly from the enjoyment. I much
prefer Eastern rides because they are not so difficult and
you are not constantly battling the wind.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"MLB" <mikeb46815@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9520B6DE351A0mikeb46815yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in news:PJudnYrc_rKYKXDdRVn-
> ug@prairiewave.com:
[...]
> > Good Grief! I have got an anti-virus program (QuickHeal)
> > which updates automatically every day, I have got
> > ZoneAlarm (a firewall) and I have
> got
> > SpyBot for adware and spyware. I also download all the
> > Microsoft
> updates
> > religiously. What else do I need? If IE is taken down, I
> > suspect
> Mozilla
> > won't be far behind.
> >
>
> You haven't been reading!! The new worms and viruses are
> MUCH more elaborate than the old types that attacked one
> known vulnerability. The new ones are seeming to use
> multiple attacks on multiple openings. Much harder to
> detect and treat. They are also more virulent and
> dangerous. What you have for protection is what EVERYONE
> has. It's not enough. ANd will be even less sufficient
> from here forward. There is a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
> difference in the user base of IE to anything else.
> Nothing else gets even 1% of the attention of the hackers,
> not to mention MS ineptitude in fixing the PROBLEM as a
> whole instead of sticking one finger in one hole each
> time. Ask someone that knows this stuff (I don't) and
> they'll tell you that IE is
> BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, as in unbelievably bad. As
> in, shouldn't be on the market bad............. It has
> always been bad, but now it's dangerously bad for you
> personal information! The new programs allowed them to
> access bank records and other institutional sources. They
> could gain access to your credit cards, account numbers,
> etc WITHOUT YOU EVER USING THEM on the web. One also that
> corrupted hard drives, making them unusable! Not a kill it
> and you're ok thing anymore! There is a VERY LARGE
> difference between today and a year ago when it comes to
> internet problems. Keep IE and you'll find out.
> Eventually.

MLB, you do not understand my psychology. First off, if
my hard drive goes and I lose all my music (over 40 GB
worth) I will have to kill myself. There is no other
possible solution.

However, my back up plan is to say screw all this computer
crap! The Internet is nothing but chaos and if Microsoft
can't get a handle on it, then I sure as hell am not going
to get a handle on it. I have lived 99% of my life without
computers and I can easily go back to living without a
computer. I will only take so much aggravation and then I
will be gone. It will be ... "got along before I met you,
will get along without you now!"

But what are you recommending that I do to avoid all the
problems that you foresee for the immediate future?

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota