Recent recumbent experiences and related - Page 3

Looks like a lovely young woman pedaling Mother's Trike in the photos. Maybe a perfect fit [and
cost] for daughter!

The Mother Earth News March-April '83 Issue #81 has 2F1R trike building article at

file:///Macintosh%20HD/Users/deanart...UT-RATE%22%20-
RECUMBENT%20

details building a 65.00 [1983 dollars] 2F1R trike with an absolute minimum of hand tools and a
parts list with price of each individual part.

"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:<1d456e93ba88d03017630f2f848b6fcf@news.teranews.com>...

> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote

> > Jon and his ilk are Nazis
>
> This is malicious slander and may be actionable. I expect a full public apology and retraction
> forthwith.

You ACT like a Nazi because you do not like to be disagreed with. I could tell that from the first
day we ever had an exchange of posts. But I do appreciate the way you pick up on my every allusion.
I try to keep them simple so you won't miss them and have an opportunity to show what you are made
of to all the other liberal idiots on this newsgroup. The only thing I have to apologize for is the
misalignment of the planets that ever brought me into conjunction with you in the first place. If
you want something actionable I suggest you kick yourself in the buttocks. That might do some good
because that is where your brains are located.

Also, why don't you and Barry (GeoB) get together. He is another liberal asshole idiot who blathers
on about ISP's, apologies, and actionable. The two of you could commiserate together.

> In the meantime, I hereby invoke Goodwin's Law:
>
> Professor Ralph Goodwin [...] noticed that newsgroup discussions which continued for a long
> time tended to degrade.
>
> He postulated the following: As the length of a newsgroup thread grows, the probability
> approaches unity of some participant using the term "Hitler" or "Nazi". The party who first
> uses such terms is immediately declared the loser of the thread and discussion stops at that
> point.

We are all familiar with Godwin's Law. That is why I called you a Nazi, so you would pick up on it
and hopefully shut up. But no such luck. You go on and on forever with the unique ability never to
say anything of substance. But that must take talent too, so you must therefore be a talented idiot.

> > [Jon] of course and would like to dictate to the rest of us how we should post.
>
> I have done no such thing.

That is exactly what you are doing. You do not like my style and more importantly you do not like
the substance of what I post. That is too bad for you because my contempt for you is total. Your
appeal to all the other liberal jackasses is pathetic - the hallmark of a cry baby. Why don't you
check the protocols of your ISP and find out if there is anything in there that says anything about
being a cry baby and being a pathetic sorry loser.

> It is, of course, Mr. D's own ISP's acceptable use policy that must be his concern. Readers make
> their own decisions whether Mr. Dolan's posts warrant appropriate complaint.

Complain away like the cry baby you are. Try to get a certain quality of whine in your tone too
while you are at it so the rest of the world will know who they are dealing with.

> http://www.prairiewave.com/forms/aup.htm abuse@iw.net - Report Internet abuse situations.
>
> By posting through Google, he has also agreed to their terms:
>
> http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_terms.html groups-abuse@google.com

I am in full compliance with all terms anywhere in this land of free speech. But old Jon here does
not like free speech for anyone except himself. That is why I call him a scoundrel. The only one who
is abusing anything is Jon who is always complaining like a cry baby liberal. I will resurrect every
term I have ever applied to him and we shall see who will laughed at and made to look ridiculous in
the court of public opinion, or any other court for that matter.

But why am I even writing to this world class loser? I must have rocks in my head to even give him
one moment of my time. From now on I will take all the short cuts and just call him a few
appropriate names. He will then understand me perfectly and it will save time all around.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Lars S. Mulford" <mulford@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<1JLzb.33260$lF6.23258@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...

[...]
> I wonder how many of the negative posters on here would continue to do so if they actually had to
> meet face to face with the folks they continued to broadside? [...]

What goes on here on newsgroups has little or nothing to do with reality. For instance I am meeting
folks here who I would never meet in real life. In fact, most of them I would not give the time of
day to. In real life we would be forever strangers to one another. So forget real life. This is a
fantasy life that we all enter into the minute we subscribe to a newsgroup.

Here on these newsgroups we all of us go about creating an image for ourselves. We can create Mr.
Nice Guy or Mr. Terrible Guy. I think you are about creating Mr. Nice Guy. I am about creating Mr.
Terrible Guy, at least with respect to all my liberal adversaries. I think it is possible to last
about two years on these newsgroups and then you should really move on and give everyone a break
whether you are Nice or Terrible. Everyone eventually gets to be a crushing bore!

The ultimate cure for what ails us is of course Death. The beauty of it is that all we have to do is
to be patient and it (Mr. Grim Reaper) comes for all of us finally. And then it is Le Fin! No more
bother about liberals and conservatives. That would be my idea of Heaven. But if the argument goes
on, then that is my idea of Hell!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"bg" <pedalfox@hotmail.com> wrote
> My apologies for top post. Don't you get it? Ed doesn't give a crap about anything but folks
> responding to his posts.

Yes. Of course. Every reference to him is another nickel in the parking meter of his 15
minutes of fame.

Clearly my posting is in vain if the object is to engage him. That is not my object.

Newsgroups are often wild places. Posting to USENET newsgroups via Google and ISPs is not an
inalienable right, however. In addition to filtering posts based on author (an option unavailable to
those reading via Google), there are other options.

Jon Meinecke

Howdy Ed and others:

See my comments below.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:7d49e514.0312042248.2d39b16a@posting.google.com...
> "Lars S. Mulford" <mulford@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<1JLzb.33260$lF6.23258@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...

> What goes on here on newsgroups has little or nothing to do with reality. For instance I am
> meeting folks here who I would never meet in real life. In fact, most of them I would not give the
> time of day to. In real life we would be forever strangers to one another. So forget real life.
> This is a fantasy life that we all enter into the minute we subscribe to a newsgroup.

I couldn't disagree more, at least from my way of looking at it. Obviously we are on here for two
different reasons. I read this newsgroup to attain more information about recumbents and
recumbenting. I read here to become a better rider, pick up tips, make improvements, and perhaps
even make a suggestion or two myself. There is no "fantasy" here for me. I suspect for most
others, this is also true. If I wanted fantasy, I'd subscribe to a scifi newsgroup or the like
where RPGs ruled.

> Here on these newsgroups we all of us go about creating an image for ourselves. We can create Mr.
> Nice Guy or Mr. Terrible Guy. I think you are about creating Mr. Nice Guy. I am about creating Mr.
> Terrible Guy, at least with respect to all my liberal adversaries.

Ed, I do not understand your logic here at all. It seems ultimately self-defeating. I don't come
on here creating any type of persona. I am who I am. If someone views me as decent, great! If not,
that is their opinion. Anything I write, I make sure that it is something that I can sign my name
to and buttress it with the truth or at least honest affirmation. I stand behind my writ, and
would support and defend it to anyone on here. Perhaps that is the difference between us then,
because I write as if I may yet meet some other posters someday, and I find if respect is freely
given, it is also usually freely received and returned. I can agree to disagree agreeably with
others without resorting to name calling and political bashing. Don't think for a moment that this
is directed solely at you; it isn't. Others on here are quite free with their baiting. It serves
nothing, really.

One of my old college profs said to me once that when you resort to name calling and/or profanity,
you've already lost the argument. There is real truth there.

By the way Ed, I consider myself a conservative and there are actually some things to which I am in
agreement with you. However, your sole voice isn't the voice of conservatism. It is YOUR voice. Make
it count. Liberals, conservatives, you know in the end, we all have to live with each other and find
ways to get along. I've never had political content step on any friendships, potential or otherwise.
I think the key is in recognizing the differences, highlighting what and where there is common
ground, and then building from that. The trick is, you have to be WILLING to do it. Confrontation
only breeds more of same. A willingness to dialogue and understand (not necessarily agree) is much
more in tune with building lasting bonds of trust, mutual respect, etc.

Again, thanks to all who posted on my original note and followups about ideas for my young lady!
We're still hashing out ideas for her. I've received some GREAT ideas in private email and will
check out all the suggestions.

--
"Sea" ya! --Lars S. Mulford "You can find evil anywhere you look. The question is, why are
you looking?"

bg <pedalfox@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3FCFD3AA.626E0449@hotmail.com>...

> Jon, My apologies for top post. Don't you get it? Ed doesn't give a crap about anything but folks
> responding to his posts. He's likely playing with himself while he reads any response, including
> this one. bg

There is never any excuse for top posting. Don't be so lazy. Do the necessary editing and get it
right. Either that or don't bother to post. You surely didn't have anything to say anyway, did you?

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Lars,

Works for me.

Unfortunately, I can't get newsgroups to work so I have to use Google, which means I'll just
continue to be retro and manually screen out the non-recumbent related postings.

I just hope the users of this group will continue to NOT respond to off thread posts. Hey, I can
wish and dream.

Slow Joe

"Lars S. Mulford" <mulford@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<1JLzb.33260$lF6.23258@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> Man alive folks:
>
> I can't believe that this thread started with me actually having the audacity to share a precious
> moment, where my 10 yr old daughter rode a recumbent for the first time and became enamored with
> it... Where have we gone astray here? Did NO ONE read my initial note? The ones that did and
> posted helpful comments, I thank you!
>
> While the newsgroup may be chock full o' liberal and conservative volleys and broadsides, there
> still exists within here a legion of folks who actually read the notes to find content
> regarding recumbent biking and the joys that coincide with it. I read what interests me and
> tune out the rest.
>
> Life's too short to be spent at a keyboard firing off mean spirited comments here and there.
> There's riding to be done! Get out and ride! I bet if half the people who write in grossly
> negative ways on here could actually meet the people to which they take aim, perhaps folks would
> be singing different tunes. Everyone's a big shot behind the monitor, where distance and to some
> extent a cloak of anonymity exists. That kind of stuff matters little in the big scheme of things.
> If you're big enough to type it, you should be big enough to back up your words. That's the
> problem though - folks don't have to back up their words here and you get these silly and inane
> flame wars that cycle throughout the year. I wonder how many of the negative posters on here would
> continue to do so if they actually had to meet face to face with the folks they continued to
> broadside? Not all bikers are 5'9" and 160lbs.
>
> I'll continue to post on here with recumbent and related material. How about others doing same?

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message actually had to

> The ultimate cure for what ails us is of course Death. The beauty of it is that all we have to do
> is to be patient and it (Mr. Grim Reaper) comes for all of us finally. And then it is Le Fin! No
> more bother about liberals and conservatives. That would be my idea of Heaven. But if the argument
> goes on, then that is my idea of Hell!
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota

My idea of Hell would be eternity in a Doctor's Office waiting room - with Ed Dolan.

"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:<df3e6786ed9b8ec9656179a3a27b830b@news.teranews.com>...

> "bg" <pedalfox@hotmail.com> wrote

> > My apologies for top post. Don't you get it? Ed doesn't give a crap about anything but folks
> > responding to his posts.

"bg" also made reference to some onanistic activity in his post to which you are responding, but you
took a pass on that so that is to your credit at least.

> Yes. Of course. Every reference to him is another nickel in the parking meter of his 15 minutes
> of fame.

That is a really weird analysis. I do not care in the slightest if anyone ever responds to what I
have to say or not. What I do care about is putting down all these treasonous liberal sentiments and
ideas emanating from ARBR posters.

> Clearly my posting is in vain if the object is to engage him. That is not my object.

There is no way you and I could ever "engage" about anything because I never know what the hell you
are talking about.

> Newsgroups are often wild places. Posting to USENET newsgroups via Google and ISPs is not an
> inalienable right, however. In addition to filtering posts based on author (an option unavailable
> to those reading via Google), there are other options.

You need to get out more and have a look at some other newsgroups. We are the essence of politeness
and decorum here on ARBR. It is not how I am saying anything but what I am saying that bothers you
so much. For someone who prides himself on his powers of analysis it seems you have a blind spot
when it comes to yourself. Try some introspection some time. You might like it!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Lars S. Mulford" <mulford@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<Go%zb.8456$t87.3487@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...

> Howdy Ed and others:
>
> See my comments below.
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:7d49e514.0312042248.2d39b16a@posting.google.com...

> > "Lars S. Mulford" <mulford@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<1JLzb.33260$lF6.23258@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
>
> > What goes on here on newsgroups has little or nothing to do with reality. For instance I am
> > meeting folks here who I would never meet in real life. In fact, most of them I would not give
> > the time of day to. In real life we would be forever strangers to one another. So forget real
> > life. This is a fantasy life that we all enter into the minute we subscribe to a newsgroup.
>
> I couldn't disagree more, at least from my way of looking at it. Obviously we are on here for two
> different reasons. I read this newsgroup to attain more information about recumbents and
> recumbenting. I read here to become a better rider, pick up tips, make improvements, and perhaps
> even make a suggestion or two myself. There is no "fantasy" here for me. I suspect for most
> others, this is also true. If I wanted fantasy, I'd subscribe to a scifi newsgroup or the like
> where RPGs ruled.

Yes, you and I have totally different purposes for being here. If everyone here were like you I
would mostly be just lurking and following the posts. But that was not the case. There were a gaggle
of liberals here who were constantly posting their odious views on the Iraqi War and on President
Bush and his administration. Finally enough was enough , so I went to war myself and that is the
reason I am here. Stay way from anything OT as I intend to stay nasty, mean and vicious. There is no
polite dialogue possible with liberals. They have long since crossed the Rubicon and I now consider
them to be beyond the pale.

> > Here on these newsgroups we all of us go about creating an image for ourselves. We can create
> > Mr. Nice Guy or Mr. Terrible Guy. I think you are about creating Mr. Nice Guy. I am about
> > creating Mr. Terrible Guy, at least with respect to all my liberal adversaries.
>
> Ed, I do not understand your logic here at all. It seems ultimately self-defeating. I don't come
> on here creating any type of persona. I am who I am. If someone views me as decent, great! If not,
> that is their opinion. Anything I write, I make sure that it is something that I can sign my name
> to and buttress it with the truth or at least honest affirmation. I stand behind my writ, and
> would support and defend it to anyone on here. Perhaps that is the difference between us then,
> because I write as if I may yet meet some other posters someday, and I find if respect is freely
> given, it is also usually freely received and returned. I can agree to disagree agreeably with
> others without resorting to name calling and political bashing. Don't think for a moment that this
> is directed solely at you; it isn't. Others on here are quite free with their baiting. It serves
> nothing, really.

I too stand behind everything that I write, but I am not concerned with being nice to liberals. That
is a fatal mistake and will always be taken advantage of as a sign of weakness. No, I know how to
handle this particular segment of Americans. The old time Democrats like Zell Miller are totally
acceptable and within bounds. The liberals have become extremists and are wacko nuts and screwballs.
They are deserving of our utmost contempt for who and what they are. I have no respect for them
whatsoever. But if they would keep their opinions to themselves at least here on ARBR we could all
get along and enjoy the kind of posting that you do.

> One of my old college profs said to me once that when you resort to name calling and/or profanity,
> you've already lost the argument. There is real truth there.

Every post I write is sui generis. I take the measure of what is being said and I respond
accordingly. If I receive polite posts, I give polite posts. If I receive impolite posts, I also
give impolite posts. That is the only truth I know.

> By the way Ed, I consider myself a conservative and there are actually some things to which I am
> in agreement with you. However, your sole voice isn't the voice of conservatism. It is YOUR voice.
> Make it count. Liberals, conservatives, you know in the end, we all have to live with each other
> and find ways to get along. I've never had political content step on any friendships, potential or
> otherwise. I think the key is in recognizing the differences, highlighting what and where there is
> common ground, and then building from that. The trick is, you have to be WILLING to do it.
> Confrontation only breeds more of same. A willingness to dialogue and understand (not necessarily
> agree) is much more in tune with building lasting bonds of trust, mutual respect, etc.

Lars, I want to see these liberals cease to exist. They are constantly hamstringing this country in
a thousand different ways. I consider them a treasonous class that does not have America's best
interests at heart. They are internationalists and look to the UN for our security. They basically
have a socialist agenda which goes counter to everything America stands for. I can not dialogue with
them nor do I want to.

Frankly, I want nothing but confrontation with them. The sooner they are gone the better the world
will be. The bottom line is that I am not here to persuade them of anything but to confront and
condemn them. The history of the past half century is lesson enough for me that you cannot meet them
half way on anything. Your way has proven a failure over and over. We need to toughen up and meet
them on their own ground, which is one of invective and name calling. That is how they are, so that
is how we must be too.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Robert Haston" <rehaston@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:bY8Ab.672$Ho3.443@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message actually had to
>
> > The ultimate cure for what ails us is of course Death. The beauty of it is that all we have to
> > do is to be patient and it (Mr. Grim Reaper) comes for all of us finally. And then it is Le Fin!
> > No more bother about liberals and conservatives. That would be my idea of Heaven. But if the
> > argument goes on, then that is my idea of Hell!
> >
> > Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
> My idea of Hell would be eternity in a Doctor's Office waiting room - with Ed Dolan.

Even worse would be if Ed Dolan WAS the doctor

risto.varanka@secure.from.spam.helsinki.fi wrote:
> ... It's sad that our little sandbox is becoming a flame yard like the other cycling related
> newsgroups....

Of the three most popular newsgroups, rec.bicycles.racing has a strong culture of flaming, but
rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.tech are largely polite and on topic.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Or just top AND bottom post.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> bg <pedalfox@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3FCFD3AA.626E0449@hotmail.com>...
>
> > Jon, My apologies for top post. Don't you get it? Ed doesn't give a crap about anything but
> > folks responding to his posts. He's likely playing with himself while he reads any response,
> > including this one. bg
>
> There is never any excuse for top posting. Don't be so lazy. Do the necessary editing and get
> it right. Either that or don't bother to post. You surely didn't have anything to say anyway,
> did you?
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Or just top AND bottom post.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> "bg" also made reference to some onanistic activity in his post to which you are responding, but
> you took a pass on that so that is to your credit at least.

Yes, some do find internal combustion engines offensive. <http://www.onan.com/onan/index.jsp>

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Edward Dolan wrote:
> ...They are internationalists and look to the UN for our security....

I have a UN-52 BB on my RANS Rocket.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth