Assaulted by a paint ball gun... - Page 5

stevebaby · #61 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by SkinnyRob

Actually, Im still right. Notice the weight of the bullets. Do you even know what weight a 9mm bullet is? No? 147gr. That 55 gr military load is falling at 404 ft/s, or probably about 125 m/s. Have you ever seen how fast a paintball is moving when it exits the barrel? Its actually about the same.

Youre also wrong about the spin. The spin is based on amount of twist of the firearm, so you cannot state that figure with any amount of certainty. Its just not possible.

Im well aware of the physics involved with this, and I conducted several studies on ballistics in different types of materials while I was in the Marines. You are a civilian, with a web browser and a "think you know it all" attitude.

It is YOU who are wrong on more than one account here. If you actually read any of those websites that "confirm" the ability of a falling bullet to kill, you would also read that the bullet tumbles due to wind resistance and loses its ballistic trajectory. The worse thats going to happen is a little broken skin, hardly skull penetration in order to cause death.

Youre barking up the wrong tree...

Wrong again,robbie-boy.Read what you posted and ,again,compare it to the figures on the Baylor College of Medicine site.http://www.bcm.edu/oto/grand/02_12_04.htm
Gunshot Wound Ballistics

stevebaby · #62 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by SkinnyRob

Considering I did ballistics when I was a Marine, Im going to tell you, youre still wrong. A 9mm handgun load, at terminal velocity, is only around 150 m/s. And because you have no understanding of physics, Im going to explain this to you. It doesnt matter if its 250 meters or 1000 meters, because, based on physics, terminal velocity is reached after 250 meters. You know, gravity pulls things towards the earth at 32 ft/second until they reach terminal velocity?

You also forget that, a bullet fired straight up WILL NOT be spinning when it starts its descent, because it loses its balllistic trajectory. Instead, it will be tumbling on its side. It doesnt matter if its a .22 or a .50BMG, it still tumbles.

So, to wrap up, YOU might want to do a little research, and find some realistic figures, before you start barking up the wrong tree, AGAIN. And, you might want to heed your own advice in your first statement. I know what Im talking about, because I did this for years. You, on the other hand, do not.

Despite your spurious claims to be a former marine and a ballistics expert...you were never able to say what size the v-bull is on the target that all marines have to fire at.Couldn't you google it?

SkinnyRob · #63 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

This episode clearly and unambiguously states that it is possible for a falling bullet to kill.It disproves what robbie-boy said .
You have already said that this is possible.robbie-boy says it's not.
Which of you is correct?

The episode fired a bullet directly onto the bovines skull point down and it hardly penetrated for the .30-06. So, its impossible, as I stated before, and I will stand by what I said before and repeat, only a bullet that maintains its ballistic trajectory is able to penetrate enough to kill.

SkinnyRob · #64 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

The LA Times article refers to 118 injuries and 38 deaths.You have no way of knowing what distance all those bullets were fired from.
It is impossible to fire a bullet straight up without fixing the gun in place and precisely levelling it.It is quite unlikely that some drunk on New Years Eve is going to do this before negligently discharging the weapon.

Unfortunately for you, Ive read that article, and the shooters were over 1.5 miles away from their targets. Bullets maintained ballistic trajectory. You really should read more...

And just for the record, it doesnt have to be perfectly vertical. Only close enough to vertical for the bullet to lose its ballistic trajectory.

Please just stop posting now. Youre really starting to make yourself look more ignorant and uninformed than you already are.

SkinnyRob · #65 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

This episode clearly and unambiguously states that it is possible for a falling bullet to kill.It disproves what robbie-boy said .
You have already said that this is possible.robbie-boy says it's not.
Which of you is correct?

The episode states, without doubt, that a bullet fired straight up DOES NOT possess enough power to kill. If you read the article, which is doubtful, the doctor they spoke with said bullets that maintain their ballistic trajectory are able to kill, and I never denied that.

SkinnyRob · #66 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

Despite your spurious claims to be a former marine and a ballistics expert...you were never able to say what size the v-bull is on the target that all marines have to fire at.Couldn't you google it?

I was a Marine for 20 years, and conducted ballistic trials for 7 of that. Dont doubt those facts. Ive shot more firearms, and discharge more rounds than youve probably ever though of in your life.

SkinnyRob · #67 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

Wrong again,robbie-boy.Read what you posted and ,again,compare it to the figures on the Baylor College of Medicine site.http://www.bcm.edu/oto/grand/02_12_04.htm
Gunshot Wound Ballistics

Like I said before, please dont post links you havent read. That patient was shot in the neck, not struck by a falling bullet.

SkinnyRob · #68 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

The attached link to the Baylor College of Medicine shows the velocity necessary to penetrate skin and fracture bone...precisely within the limits you mention.http://www.bcm.edu/oto/grand/02_12_04.htm
Gunshot Wound Ballistics

IF you had actually bothered to read that article, you would have noticed this statement:
"You can think about if a bullet is traveling at the same velocity one which is pointed nose forward striking a target will cause much less tissue damage than one which is turned sideways. "

Unfortunately for you, a bullet DOES NOT fall nose down due to wind resistance. Physics dictates this, I do not. Without going into specifics, the most it will do is break the skin when it strikes a person as it tumbles on its side.

I have proven my point, but more over, you have posted links that prove my point for me. Unless youve forgotten, Ive done ballistics, I know a lot more about the subject than what you can read with your internet browser and a search engine.

stevebaby · #69 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by SkinnyRob

Like I said before, please dont post links you havent read. That patient was shot in the neck, not struck by a falling bullet.

Read the
whole article,particularly the part where it shows the velocity required to penetrate skin or fracture bone.

stevebaby · #70 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by SkinnyRob

Actually, its only going to take roughly 150 meters for it to reach terminal velocity. I dont know why you want to drop it from 1000. The worst its probably going to do is put a lump on your skin and maybe break it. Its definitely not going to penetrate the bone though.

If you want to go see how wrong you are, go ahead. LOL.

That's not what you said at all.

stevebaby · #71 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by SkinnyRob

Actually, Im still right. Notice the weight of the bullets. Do you even know what weight a 9mm bullet is? No? 147gr. That 55 gr military load is falling at 404 ft/s, or probably about 125 m/s. Have you ever seen how fast a paintball is moving when it exits the barrel? Its actually about the same.

Youre also wrong about the spin. The spin is based on amount of twist of the firearm, so you cannot state that figure with any amount of certainty. Its just not possible.

Im well aware of the physics involved with this, and I conducted several studies on ballistics in different types of materials while I was in the Marines. You are a civilian, with a web browser and a "think you know it all" attitude.

It is YOU who are wrong on more than one account here. If you actually read any of those websites that "confirm" the ability of a falling bullet to kill, you would also read that the bullet tumbles due to wind resistance and loses its ballistic trajectory. The worse thats going to happen is a little broken skin, hardly skull penetration in order to cause death.

Youre barking up the wrong tree...

Is it?

stevebaby · #72 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by SkinnyRob

The episode states, without doubt, that a bullet fired straight up DOES NOT possess enough power to kill. If you read the article, which is doubtful, the doctor they spoke with said bullets that maintain their ballistic trajectory are able to kill, and I never denied that.

As we have pointed out,it is virtually impossible to fire a bullet perfectly vertical.It is clearly impossible to do so with a hand held weapon.
You are contradicting yourself again.

stevebaby · #73 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by SkinnyRob

I was a Marine for 20 years, and conducted ballistic trials for 7 of that. Dont doubt those facts. Ive shot more firearms, and discharge more rounds than youve probably ever though of in your life.

Sure you have...so why were you never able to state the size of the v-bull?
Because you couldn't find it in google?

SkinnyRob · #74 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

As we have pointed out,it is virtually impossible to fire a bullet perfectly vertical.It is clearly impossible to do so with a hand held weapon.
You are contradicting yourself again.

It doesnt matter, Ive already proven you wrong more than once. Youre doing nothing but making yourself look ignorant. As I seem to remember from another thread, you did the same there. Unfortunately, you picked the subject I AM the expert on, and you got it wrong. So, from here forth, unless you actually have something that can dispute what Ive said (and its pretty hard, physics doesnt lie), you really need to just stop.

Ive said it, others have said it, and agreed with what I said. The evidence is there, physics doesnt lie. Just admit youre wrong and move on

SkinnyRob · #75 04-21.-2006

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Originally Posted by stevebaby

Sure you have...so why were you never able to state the size of the v-bull?
Because you couldn't find it in google?

Im sorry, but we are talking about falling bullets here, not the size of a bulls eye. But just for your pleasure, we shot on a range anywhere from 7 yards to 500 yards, and targets ranging from 6" plates to 10" bulls on longer range targets. Ive discharged more rounds in a week than most people will in a lifetime.

Now, stop changing the subject, it makes you look ignorant, yet again.

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