Go Back   Cycling Forums » Bikes » Cycling Equipment
Cycling Equipment Need some advice on cycling equipment? Do you have a buckled wheel? Problems with your gears? Need help truing a wheel?














Helmets

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-21.-2006
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NC
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 0
Todd M will become famous soon enough
Default Helmets

I'm returning to cycling after a really long (15 year) layoff. I'm going through all my equipment and, in looking at my helmet, am wondering if it is still safe after all these years? Can helmets degrade over time? Can it lose its protetive abilties after sitting in a hot garage for years on end? It's an early model Giro that has never been crashed.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-21.-2006
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 158
Rep Power: 8
Insaneclimber will become famous soon enough
Wink Re: Helmets

Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd M
I'm returning to cycling after a really long (15 year) layoff. I'm going through all my equipment and, in looking at my helmet, am wondering if it is still safe after all these years? Can helmets degrade over time? Can it lose its protetive abilties after sitting in a hot garage for years on end? It's an early model Giro that has never been crashed.
the materials used in helmet manufacture suffer from sunlight and heat so i wouldent trust it, especially since helmet prices have droped alot since you last rode. Its your brain were talking about here so you tell me is it worth the risk?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #3  
Old 08-21.-2006
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NC
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 0
Todd M will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Quote:
Originally Posted by Insaneclimber
the materials used in helmet manufacture suffer from sunlight and heat so i wouldent trust it, especially since helmet prices have droped alot since you last rode. Its your brain were talking about here so you tell me is it worth the risk?
Exactly what I was thinking, but thought I double check. I'd hate to have crashed and have the doctor tell my wife that I wouldn't be a vegetable if hadn't been a cheap a$$ and not bought a new helmet.

Thanks!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #4  
Old 08-21.-2006
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cary, North Carolina
Age: 57
Posts: 647
Rep Power: 12
RickF will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

IIRC, the expectied life of a helmet, not counting crash damage, is only three to five years. The plastic becomes brittle over time.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #5  
Old 08-21.-2006
RussB's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Millis, MA
Age: 49
Posts: 144
Rep Power: 8
RussB will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

I agree with RickF, I've even heard that the newer helmets even have an expiration date on them. I would not take a chance on an old helmet. If I were you I would break the old one in a vise of something to be sure no one else tries to use it.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #6  
Old 08-21.-2006
rudycyclist's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: USA
Age: 20
Posts: 385
Rep Power: 10
rudycyclist will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

yeah agreed, I read somewhere that helmets should be thrown out after about 3 years. The helmet "components" become hard and stiff therefore ineffective in the case of a crash.
__________________
Lemond Tete De Course
-Sram Force
Trek T1
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #7  
Old 08-22.-2006
MidBunchLurker's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Cape Town
Age: 40
Posts: 457
Rep Power: 15
MidBunchLurker will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Can't remember where I read it, but I think it was an interview with one of the major helmet manufacturers - they said that this story of the materials suffering from sunlight and environmental damage is way overplayed, and that the major reason you'll want to replace your helmet sooner is due to advances in the design and construction.

In other words a modern helmet should be lighter/ better ventilated/ fit better/ stay attached to your head better/ be more comfortable/ provide better protection/ etc, than an older one.
__________________
nick.

www.nickcoyne.com
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #8  
Old 08-22.-2006
mikesbytes's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ashfield, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Age: 48
Posts: 1,712
Rep Power: 14
mikesbytes will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Yeh and most 3 year old helmets could pretty much stand up and walk out by themsleves. And to think we put them on our heads.
__________________
Training Log

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #9  
Old 08-22.-2006
lks lks is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 235
Rep Power: 8
lks will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd M
I'm returning to cycling after a really long (15 year) layoff. I'm going through all my equipment and, in looking at my helmet, am wondering if it is still safe after all these years? Can helmets degrade over time? Can it lose its protetive abilties after sitting in a hot garage for years on end? It's an early model Giro that has never been crashed.
For "most" riders, age of a helmut is not relevant, it' miles. A helmut that sees 1k miles per year and spends the rest of it's time in a bag, hasn't aged as much as a helmut that sees 10k miles per year. Probably the weakest link in a helmut, is the strap when it is always getting soaked with all of the ingredients of sweat and sun block.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #10  
Old 08-22.-2006
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cary, North Carolina
Age: 57
Posts: 647
Rep Power: 12
RickF will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Quote:
Originally Posted by lks
For "most" riders, age of a helmut is not relevant, it' miles. A helmut that sees 1k miles per year and spends the rest of it's time in a bag, hasn't aged as much as a helmut that sees 10k miles per year. Probably the weakest link in a helmut, is the strap when it is always getting soaked with all of the ingredients of sweat and sun block.
That is not totally accurate. Unless the helmet is sealed in an airtight container when it is not being used, age is every bit as important as mileage. Plasticizers are compounds in plastics that make them pliable and resilient. These plasticizers are somewhat volatile, and evaporate over time, albeit slowly. When enough of the plasticizers have leached out of the plastic, the plastic becomes extremely brittle. It is true that exposure to UV light and heat hastens this process; however, the process continues, even when the helmet is not being used.


Did you ever notice the film that builds up on the inside of your car's windshield? Much of this film is the plasticizer that has leached out of the dashboard and other plastic components in the car. Eventually, vinyl seats and dashboards "dry out" and crack. While it is true that the plastic will crack faster in a car that is parked in the sun all day compared to a car that is parked in the garage, eventually the plastic in both cars will crack. This is the same thing that happens to the helmet. If you leave the helmet in a parked car, it will not last as long as if you leave it in the house, but even in the house, it will fail. That is why in my earlier post, I said 3 to 5 years. If the helmet is in the sunlight or in a hot place most of the time, it might last 3 years. If it is seldom used and is stored in a cool place, it might last 5 years, but even if it is never used, it is not going to be good for much longer than 5 years.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #11  
Old 08-22.-2006
RussB's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Millis, MA
Age: 49
Posts: 144
Rep Power: 8
RussB will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Remember we're talking about a 15 year old helmet. I wouldn't trust it. Even the straps may not hold.

RussB
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #12  
Old 08-22.-2006
lks lks is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 235
Rep Power: 8
lks will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Quote:
Originally Posted by RickF
That is not totally accurate. Unless the helmet is sealed in an airtight container when it is not being used, age is every bit as important as mileage. Plasticizers are compounds in plastics that make them pliable and resilient. These plasticizers are somewhat volatile, and evaporate over time, albeit slowly. When enough of the plasticizers have leached out of the plastic, the plastic becomes extremely brittle. It is true that exposure to UV light and heat hastens this process; however, the process continues, even when the helmet is not being used.


Did you ever notice the film that builds up on the inside of your car's windshield? Much of this film is the plasticizer that has leached out of the dashboard and other plastic components in the car. Eventually, vinyl seats and dashboards "dry out" and crack. While it is true that the plastic will crack faster in a car that is parked in the sun all day compared to a car that is parked in the garage, eventually the plastic in both cars will crack. This is the same thing that happens to the helmet. If you leave the helmet in a parked car, it will not last as long as if you leave it in the house, but even in the house, it will fail. That is why in my earlier post, I said 3 to 5 years. If the helmet is in the sunlight or in a hot place most of the time, it might last 3 years. If it is seldom used and is stored in a cool place, it might last 5 years, but even if it is never used, it is not going to be good for much longer than 5 years.
Well, the best solution may be a spec. for each helmut that say's replace at ? years or? miles, whichever comes first. Giro's position is, when in doubt, send it back for inspection. I asked Giro why they were not more specific about life and they said that's the way their insurer's lawyers want it. In fact, it's their insurer's lawyers that will not let them sell replacement helmut straps, because of the liability of one being installed wrong. They must not be concerned about the strap buckle being installed wrong, because they will sell you a replacement. Ideally, would be a small spot of material applied to the helmut, that would change color based on the amount of helmut material degradation.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #13  
Old 08-22.-2006
mikesbytes's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ashfield, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Age: 48
Posts: 1,712
Rep Power: 14
mikesbytes will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Todd, what helmet are you going to buy?

Most of us seem to aggree that 3 years is the maximum life for the helmet.

What about distance? after how many k should we replace the helmet?
__________________
Training Log

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #14  
Old 08-22.-2006
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NC
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 0
Todd M will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesbytes
Todd, what helmet are you going to buy?

Most of us seem to aggree that 3 years is the maximum life for the helmet.

What about distance? after how many k should we replace the helmet?
I have no idea what kind I am going to get. My initial thought is a Giro, but I will probably go to a shop or two this weekend and try on a bunch.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


  #15  
Old 08-23.-2006
Powerful Pete's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rome, Italy
Age: 40
Posts: 3,870
Rep Power: 27
Powerful Pete will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Helmets

Change your helmet, throw out the old one.

And do not be swayed by advertising on the first helmet you buy in a long time. Go to a shop, try a bunch on, and make sure you get one with a good fit. Even if it means paying a bit more than ordering on line.
__________________
De Rosa Planet
Campagnolo Per Sempre!
PAOLO BETTINI CAMPIONE DEL MONDO x 2!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on FacebookTwitterReddit!
Reply With Quote


Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
helmets

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 



Partner Links



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:29 AM.
vBET 3.3.1 supports automatic translations
Powered by: vBulletin Copyright © 2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright © 2001 - 2009 cyclingforums.com

Automatic Translations (Powered by Powered by Google):
Bulgarian Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Finnish French German Italian Japanese Korean Norwegian Polish Portuguese Spanish Swedish