2007 Roi Mag-ma Frameset Update - Page 3

carbonguru · #31 10-25.-2006

MrKlein I think you should do what feels right for you. I ride to the beat of my own drum. My friends and riding buddies think I'm crazy for buying so many unknown brands and shelling out cash for them when they have not seen or heard anything about them previously. Funny thing is that when I was riding a Storck 5 years ago people would come up to me and say, "WOW! What is that bike you're riding?" I'd say "Storck! It's a small company in Europe!" Now they are a lot more known. But they still do very little advertising here in America. I just tend to take more risks than the average joe. I always have. I guess that's why I like stepping into the unknown. I never really know what I am going to discover. Life is short; ride hard on whatever brand you ultimately choose.

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Originally Posted by mrklein

Hmm. 100 mile-You are making me suspicous. Does anyone else know about ROI bikes? I am on the verge of breaking off some serious jack for two of these things a road and tri bike but you have me worried. Perhaps some one could post an opnion? I don't buy bikes too often and need to get it right the first time. Anyone know anyone riding or racing them? Perhaps a phone number for the factory? They look great and carbonguru likes them. He seems to have ridden many of the top shelf frames. Ads don't mean that much to me and I don't want a mass produced bike but I need some info. Maybe I should get something better known.

Powerful Pete · #32 10-26.-2006

On the advertising issue, I can tell you that Roi does advertise here in Italy in all the main cycling mags, like Bicisport and Ciclismo. As do brands that are pretty much unknown in the US, such as Viner, to use an example on this thread.

I think that a great many of the smaller producers here do not have the savvy to break into the US market, and many do not have the resources either. I always found it interesting on how only certain brands have made it to the US - for example, look at Kuota, which clearly targetted the US market from the time it was established - while a brand like Viner, that has always been a mainstay here in Italy is not even known. My dad has a Viner, for example, and he is quite happy with it. To give you a better feel for the way they work... the entire Viner company has four people in the production line of things - he actually had to wait two extra weeks for his frame when he ordered it because the frame painter was on his annual vacation, and they told us that!

There are many, many frame builders that cater to very local markets - one province or even one largish city.

So the fact that Roi or any other brand does not advertise means nothing in terms of the quality of their frames.

As for the sponsorship issue, remember that here in Italy we have a huge Gran Fondo (the longish races for amateurs) movement, and there are big teams with major budgets - Parkpre Italia has a certain Mr. Rumsas on their payroll, along with 50-ish other riders in full kit, with the station wagon with mechanics and the whole nine yards! In other words, team sponsorships do not mean automatically mean Pro Tour...

100miles · #33 10-26.-2006

Mr.Klein, it sounds like you won't have any trouble finding more information since you have the opportunity to travel to Italy in the near future. Maybe you can find a shop there, see the bike in person and make your purchase. In the meantime, here in the US you can always do google and yahoo searches, not only on the bike but on all the individuals involved in the sale. Thourough research can be very enlightening. That's what brought me to this forum.

Good luck and let us all know if you decide to take the plunge. And for heaven's sake, post some pics if you do!

carbonguru · #34 10-26.-2006

Powerful Pete thanks for your reply. I was starting to think MrKlien and 100mile thought I was crazy for agreeing with ROI about their advertising tactics. I know that there are hundreds of smaller Italian Bike Builders in Italy alone who build INCREDIBLE bikes but don't advertise a darn here in America. I had a Denti Frame built for me in 2004 and it was a WONDERFUL FRAME. The only way I learned about them is that I went to the big bike show in Milan where they had a booth. I ordered a frame from them on the spot. So many people get suckered by what I call the "MARKETING MONSTER". In short, they believe everything that the ad says and they only LEGITIMIZE a brand if they actually SEE them advertise in Bicycling Magazine or something. For me, this has never held water. A brand builds credibility with me when I mount it and ride it for myself. Then I can say, 'YES, this is a GREAT BIKE!' or 'Holy Crap, this Frame SUCKS!!!' For me ROI has proven to be a GREAT brand. So great I ordered a Monster Frame from them too. It looks like I am the only one who has ridden one as of late, but I'm sure if MrKlein gets one, he'll be singing the praises of ROI too in a later thread.

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Originally Posted by Powerful Pete

On the advertising issue, I can tell you that Roi does advertise here in Italy in all the main cycling mags, like Bicisport and Ciclismo. As do brands that are pretty much unknown in the US, such as Viner, to use an example on this thread.

I think that a great many of the smaller producers here do not have the savvy to break into the US market, and many do not have the resources either. I always found it interesting on how only certain brands have made it to the US - for example, look at Kuota, which clearly targetted the US market from the time it was established - while a brand like Viner, that has always been a mainstay here in Italy is not even known. My dad has a Viner, for example, and he is quite happy with it. To give you a better feel for the way they work... the entire Viner company has four people in the production line of things - he actually had to wait two extra weeks for his frame when he ordered it because the frame painter was on his annual vacation, and they told us that!

There are many, many frame builders that cater to very local markets - one province or even one largish city.

So the fact that Roi or any other brand does not advertise means nothing in terms of the quality of their frames.

As for the sponsorship issue, remember that here in Italy we have a huge Gran Fondo (the longish races for amateurs) movement, and there are big teams with major budgets - Parkpre Italia has a certain Mr. Rumsas on their payroll, along with 50-ish other riders in full kit, with the station wagon with mechanics and the whole nine yards! In other words, team sponsorships do not mean automatically mean Pro Tour...

mrklein · #35 10-26.-2006

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Originally Posted by Powerful Pete

On the advertising issue, I can tell you that Roi does advertise here in Italy in all the main cycling mags, like Bicisport and Ciclismo. As do brands that are pretty much unknown in the US, such as Viner, to use an example on this thread.

I think that a great many of the smaller producers here do not have the savvy to break into the US market, and many do not have the resources either. I always found it interesting on how only certain brands have made it to the US - for example, look at Kuota, which clearly targetted the US market from the time it was established - while a brand like Viner, that has always been a mainstay here in Italy is not even known. My dad has a Viner, for example, and he is quite happy with it. To give you a better feel for the way they work... the entire Viner company has four people in the production line of things - he actually had to wait two extra weeks for his frame when he ordered it because the frame painter was on his annual vacation, and they told us that!

There are many, many frame builders that cater to very local markets - one province or even one largish city.

So the fact that Roi or any other brand does not advertise means nothing in terms of the quality of their frames.

As for the sponsorship issue, remember that here in Italy we have a huge Gran Fondo (the longish races for amateurs) movement, and there are big teams with major budgets - Parkpre Italia has a certain Mr. Rumsas on their payroll, along with 50-ish other riders in full kit, with the station wagon with mechanics and the whole nine yards! In other words, team sponsorships do not mean automatically mean Pro Tour...

Thank you. This helps. I agree about the ads. If ads made the bike I'd just buy a Trek. Nice bikes I just dont want anything that common. Now that I know Roi is real I will have to consider them further. Wilier (who I found looking for Roi) has an awesome TT bike also. I wish Roi had a little different marketing plan but there again we don't need anothe over-hyped bike brand either. I just needed to be sure this wasn't going to be another crazy Token-USA.com. story complete with the sounds of cheap carbon snaping and cash strapped riders tumbling to the pavement!

carbonguru · #36 10-26.-2006

I had a TOKEN ISIS BB and the freaking thing snapped in two on a training ride. Piece of crap component. I saw another guy snap his Token handlebars in a race in Texas when I was down there. Token has a bad wrap in my local area of NC.

As for ROI they are the real deal. ZERO problems so far with any of my Zefiro Components or my Mag-Ma Frame. I just broke 1000 miles on it yesterday. So far so good.

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Originally Posted by mrklein

Thank you. This helps. I agree about the ads. If ads made the bike I'd just buy a Trek. Nice bikes I just dont want anything that common. Now that I know Roi is real I will have to consider them further. Wilier (who I found looking for Roi) has an awesome TT bike also. I wish Roi had a little different marketing plan but there again we don't need anothe over-hyped bike brand either. I just needed to be sure this wasn't going to be another crazy Token-USA.com. story complete with the sounds of cheap carbon snaping and cash strapped riders tumbling to the pavement!

100miles · #37 10-26.-2006

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Originally Posted by mrklein

I just needed to be sure this wasn't going to be another crazy Token-USA.com. story complete with the sounds of cheap carbon snaping and cash strapped riders tumbling to the pavement!

LOL!!

I KNEW someone else would figure it out!! Classic. Go dude!

bobbyOCR · #38 10-26.-2006

In regards to token: Cheap, Strong, Light choose any two

In regards to bike. whhooaaahhh. Nice, I still like BMCs though

mrklein · #39 10-26.-2006

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Originally Posted by 100miles

LOL!!

I KNEW someone else would figure it out!! Classic. Go dude!

Pop goes the weasel!

mrklein · #40 10-26.-2006

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Originally Posted by bobbyOCR

In regards to token: Cheap, Strong, Light choose any two

In regards to bike. whhooaaahhh. Nice, I still like BMCs though

Well said. The last thing we need is cheap carbon parts blowing apart. I have been riding long enough to remember when everything was drilled or milled out. SNAP! A friend years ago got this cool new GE (General Electric) Lexan seat post. It was all white, very light and cool. SNAP! He survived and later had children but it was close. That silliness should all be in the past given the improvements in technology. Too bad a few makers are selling the cheap light stuff. Oh shoot. Forgot the strong thing. Just keep saying "Cheap" as you fly through the air. Damn that Vector 7! I really like your BMC too. Very unique.

CAMPYBOB · #41 10-26.-2006

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Originally Posted by mrklein

I have been riding long enough to remember when everything was drilled or milled out. SNAP! A friend years ago got this cool new GE (General Electric) Lexan seat post. It was all white, very light and cool. SNAP!

wow! you ARE old! heheh!

that was, what? 1973 or so if i recall correctly. those seatposts scared me as much back then as the carbon forks do now. didn't that post have a sleeve that went into the seat post, followed by the post, itself

a friend of mine STILL has one holding up in his gitane (fortunately it is not ridden very often). he might go 150 lbs. on a good day. of course, he professionally drilled his chainrings, pedals, derailleurs...even the cable drums of his campy shift levers and press-in journal area of his headset cups!

i guess gram-saving was as popular back then it is now and the components get you hurt just as badly.

regards,
campybob

mrklein · #42 10-26.-2006

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Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB

wow! you ARE old! heheh!

that was, what? 1973 or so if i recall correctly. those seatposts scared me as much back then as the carbon forks do now. didn't that post have a sleeve that went into the seat post, followed by the post, itself

a friend of mine STILL has one holding up in his gitane (fortunately it is not ridden very often). he might go 150 lbs. on a good day. of course, he professionally drilled his chainrings, pedals, derailleurs...even the cable drums of his campy shift levers and press-in journal area of his headset cups!

i guess gram-saving was as popular back then it is now and the components get you hurt just as badly.

regards,
campybob

I am old! I was 14 when that happened so that helps a little. That post did have an insert. Good thing it was light because it broke
like a twig. My buddy rode almost thirty miles home with his seat in his jersey pocket. I have an old Mercian with some modified parts that now look a little nuts. I did the light weight trip for the day-Huret Jubilee der. with bullseye red pullies flutted Campy post etc. Do you remember Arraya
titanium rims? People have told me there is no such thing but I still have some. They worked fine-they were called tita-ace and were I think under 300 grams. I was 6'2" and about 120 lbs (world health organization kept offering me free cheese) so I may not have been the best judge-but they rode well and the ti shure looked cool when polished. Thanks for the chance to ramble a bit! Oh yes, be ware the clickable link! There may be a snake down that hole! No token for me!

100miles · #43 10-26.-2006

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Originally Posted by carbonguru

I just tend to take more risks than the average joe. I always have. I guess that's why I like stepping into the unknown. I never really know what I am going to discover.

Oh.. I see you are stepping into it..

carbonguru · #44 10-26.-2006

Pop goes the weasel? What's that all about? Must be an inside joke between you and 100mile. I don't get it.

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Pop goes the weasel!

carbonguru · #45 10-26.-2006

Bobby don't you ride a BMC SL01? Was your frame uncomfortable? I can't remember if it was you or another guy who was saying something about their frame not fitting correctly. I had the same problem. I was in between 2 stock sizes. So I could never get 100% comfortable on the BMC I had.

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Originally Posted by bobbyOCR

In regards to token: Cheap, Strong, Light choose any two

In regards to bike. whhooaaahhh. Nice, I still like BMCs though

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