Neuvation R28 aero review - Page 2

sideshow_bob · #16 12-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by sogood

Thanks for the comment, I guess tightening it further won't help my wheels.

BTW, are there steel freehubs to be had to mate these wheels? I thought these are brand specific ie. Only Mavic sells freehubs for their wheels.

The body is usually specific to the hub. Can you get an off brand one to fit? Maybe, you'd need to trial and error through a bunch.

Can you get a steel body for the Neuvation hubs? Not sure. Their lower end M series still use alloy bodies as well, so I'm not holding my breath.

--brett

bobbyOCR · #17 12-28.-2006

I was a little sidetracked today, I just received my Velocity white Deep Vs that had been ordered a while back. Just waiting on competition or revo spokes and my Suzue Pro Max hubs. Gonna be sweet on my upcoming road fixie.

sideshow_bob · #18 12-28.-2006

Had a perfect day of cycling planned today. A friend was staying down on the NSW South Coast and looking to ride in the Southern Highlands, I was able to get a late day off work, so made the drive down planning to do a 100km loop somewhere with some serious climbing. We settled on Berry to Kangaroo Valley, to Robertson and back down to Kiama. That's two 7km climbs both at around 7-8% and lots of rolling terrain.

What does this have to do with Neuvations? First climb of the day 5km out of Berry ping ... there goes a spoke. The wheel went so far out of true it was hitting the frame. Limped back to the car in Berry, drove 40km return to the closest bike shop to get a replacement spoke. Yep they take a nice easy to find J bend spoke, the hub hole however is bigger than normal so lots of dicking around ensued finding a spoke that wouldn't pull through.

Got everything sorted and eventually tackled the route we'd planned (and got roundly spanked). All I'm thankful for is the spoke didn't tank in the middle of nowhere cause there was no riding out on it.

One spoke after a few months happens, so maybe just an unlucky event. I'm going back to Cosmic Elites.

--brett

sogood · #19 12-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by sideshow_bob

Can you get a steel body for the Neuvation hubs? Not sure. Their lower end M series still use alloy bodies as well, so I'm not holding my breath.

Just found out that Mavic Ksyrium ES's Campag compatible freehub is made of steel. How about that?

sideshow_bob · #20 12-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by sogood

Just found out that Mavic Ksyrium ES's Campag compatible freehub is made of steel. How about that?

But isn't that 50g slowing you down on the climbs? </humor>

Like I said earlier, I completely understand in a set of ultralight wheels where they are striving to cut every gram. And in most cases these are race day only wheels. In a mid weight set of wheels there is no benefit and a pain in the ass downside when you invariably chew the body. Stupid engineering.

--brett

sogood · #21 12-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by sideshow_bob

But isn't that 50g slowing you down on the climbs? </humor>

Like I said earlier, I completely understand in a set of ultralight wheels where they are striving to cut every gram. And in most cases these are race day only wheels. In a mid weight set of wheels there is no benefit and a pain in the ass downside when you invariably chew the body. Stupid engineering.

Well, just to say that there are still companies that use steel for their freehub, even at the top of their range. Interestingly, K-ES uses Ti for the Shimano compatible freehub.

bobbyOCR · #22 12-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by sogood

Well, just to say that there are still companies that use steel for their freehub, even at the top of their range. Interestingly, K-ES uses Ti for the Shimano compatible freehub.

That may be true, but do they not use a bushing instead of bearing(s)? I thought this was a common complaint.

I do fully agree. They could benefit greatly with a steel freehub body.

OK, List of possible impovements

1. 2cross or 3cross lacing in the rear, and or more spokes. Or wider flanges

2. STEEL FREEHUB

3. better dustcaps in the front

4.(minor) less stickers and neater rim joint

.............

Please add more.

Phill P · #23 12-31.-2006

Adding to list of improvements.....

Get an OEM deal so they make more of them and the price can come down even further.
Make a bigger range, the current models are good, just widen things a little (I'm considering SL2s myself)
Produce a range of Steel and Al bikes using the same theory (ie don't rout the customer but give them what they need with out the marketing and bling).

mikesbytes · #24 12-31.-2006

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Originally Posted by sideshow_bob

But isn't that 50g slowing you down on the climbs? </humor>

Like I said earlier, I completely understand in a set of ultralight wheels where they are striving to cut every gram. And in most cases these are race day only wheels. In a mid weight set of wheels there is no benefit and a pain in the ass downside when you invariably chew the body. Stupid engineering.

--brett

Ah, but sogood's shaved 4kg off the mid-riff and he was the closest I've seen him after turning around at Waterfall today. He will have to do RNP with me tomorrow.

Brett, seeing from your review, these wheels may be good value for money but they won't hold up for a bike breaker like me.

mikesbytes · #25 12-31.-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideshow_bob

Had a perfect day of cycling planned today. A friend was staying down on the NSW South Coast and looking to ride in the Southern Highlands, I was able to get a late day off work, so made the drive down planning to do a 100km loop somewhere with some serious climbing. We settled on Berry to Kangaroo Valley, to Robertson and back down to Kiama. That's two 7km climbs both at around 7-8% and lots of rolling terrain.

What does this have to do with Neuvations? First climb of the day 5km out of Berry ping ... there goes a spoke. The wheel went so far out of true it was hitting the frame. Limped back to the car in Berry, drove 40km return to the closest bike shop to get a replacement spoke. Yep they take a nice easy to find J bend spoke, the hub hole however is bigger than normal so lots of dicking around ensued finding a spoke that wouldn't pull through.

Got everything sorted and eventually tackled the route we'd planned (and got roundly spanked). All I'm thankful for is the spoke didn't tank in the middle of nowhere cause there was no riding out on it.

One spoke after a few months happens, so maybe just an unlucky event. I'm going back to Cosmic Elites.

--brett

Did that route back in 1990, nice roads. Didn't break anything either he he.

sideshow_bob · #26 12-31.-2006

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Originally Posted by mikesbytes

Brett, seeing from your review, these wheels may be good value for money but they won't hold up for a bike breaker like me.

It's hard to say as I don't have that many miles in them. But based on the to date performance I'd probably not recommend them to anyone other than recreational riders who aren't doing a lot of miles.

--brett

John M · #27 01-02.-2007

You experienced the disadvantage of blowing a spoke on a low-spoke count/high-tension wheel. If that were a 32 spoke wheel, you would have still been able to ride probably with just opening your brake QR.

bobbyOCR · #28 01-24.-2007

Joy. After 1200km of base speed riding, with about 400km of that hard, maybe. I have a nice amount of cog bite on my freehub. the 15t cog has bitten in about 1/5th the way through the medium sized splines. Not happy. I had to file the edges of the notches to get the small lockring off. I will be contacting nugent about this, not angrily, but I'd be happy for an extra 60g for steel.

sideshow_bob · #29 01-26.-2007

Or a 10sp only hub with the deeper splines that have more surface area for the cog to sit on.

Anyway my 2c is that it'll be the first of many more annoyances to come. Get rid of them now!

--brett

mikesbytes · #30 01-26.-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideshow_bob

Or a 10sp only hub with the deeper splines that have more surface area for the cog to sit on.

Anyway my 2c is that it'll be the first of many more annoyances to come. Get rid of them now!

--brett

OK, so whats the alternative ?

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