mavic vs campy vs rolf vs easton vs .... - Page 3

I'll send you a picture the next time we see a RD that was ripped off the bike because the freehub stopped freewheeling. This is on some of their $1000+ wheels, I would think they could do a better job, particularly from a company that used to make such nice hubs. Plus, still stuck in the past with only 2 pawls. Break one and you will break the other. But if ya like these, groovy. I still think a set using DA or Record hubs is a better idea..much better hub, the thing that should last the longest on a set of wheels.

As I understand it, the freehubs only lock up if neglected, and usually announce the impending disaster by squealing for quite a few km beforehand. I agree that they are only for someone with a little bit of mechanical ability and a maintenance conscience, or a supported pro. I'm not trying to suggest that I prefer this hub to a cup and cone Shimano one (not keen on Campy because of the bloody noisy freehub), not least because I can maintain such hubs at minimal cost for many years, but I wouldn't allow the Mavic hub to stop me buying the wheels I want (in my case, Cosmic Carbone SL). I certainly wouldn't put up with the hub to have any of the Ksyrium wheels.

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Same hub on the Carbone, innards wise. Think a wheel good or other-ness is the package, not just the rim/spokes. AND new 7800/7810/7850 DA rear hub is a 3 pawl design VERY similar to Campagl. Poor design, IMO, for a wheeslet that is in the $800 to $2000 range. Mavic could do better if they wanted to, but obviously don't.

Yes, I know that the FTS-L hub is on Cos Car and Ksy, I wouldn't have a Ksyrium mainly because of the spokes.
Do you mean that the new DA hub is poor design? Is it as noisy as Campag?

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You implied Campag hubs were 'poor' due to noise, not me. Noise because of 3 pawls is a GOOD thing.
Since it is like the Record hub...it is a GREAT design. 3 pawls equal some noise
but also reliability. Either a rising disc ala DT or 3 pawls..all else is so '20th century'.

Not true. This is what you said ,"...DA rear hub is a 3 pawl design VERY similar to Campagl. Poor design, IMO...". I just wanted to clarify whether you thought the DA hubs were poorly designed, and am glad to learn that this is not what you meant.
Shimano freehubs, typically very quiet, have had 3 pawls for a long time, have they not?

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Not...7800, 10s rears(10s only, BTW) were their first 3 pawl rear hub..in about 2004. Campag has been 3 pawl for over 18 years(since 1990 or so).

The freehub on my Campy Zonda wheelset is fairly quiet. You want noise? Nothing beats the DT hubs on Rolf wheelsets, with their 'strafed by Stukas' sound: crack-crack-crack.

Then again, the DT hubs are very solid, so maybe a bit more noise isn't necessarily a bad thing.

What do you thing about the american classic 420 wheelset ? Can you also give me a good link for this wheelset ? I have find the planet x pro carbon 50 for 700 $. Does anyone know about this wheels ?

Like most wheelsouttaboxes, the weak point is the hubs. Really complicated pawl system on the rear, teeny bearings on the front(how many acheive low weights, mostly the low weight front hub). No decent wheelbuilders ion your area?

When I bought my current bike I talked to the LBS owner about a wheel upgrade from the stock Ksyrium Elite wheels. Of the upgrades in his inventory he had the AC 420, but then surprisingly told me that he would not use those wheels because of the same reason Peter stated. I am glad he was honest to tell me rather than sell me his unwanted inventory.

To the OP: why are you insisting? Just about everyone on this thread has recommended that you go with handbuilt wheels at your local shop, using Campagnolo Record or Shimano Dura Ace hubs. Or get a set of Chris Kings if you really have the cash burning a hole in your pocket.

Choose your rim and spokes and have a guy build 'em up for you.

If you have decided otherwise let the thread die...

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