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Originally Posted by alienator

Wow. As usual, even with your deft use of colors, italics, and bold font, you read things that weren't even there.

First, perhaps you ought to read John's stuff more carefully.

Second, there has been no study that has shown any connection between frame or wheel stiffness that significantly or perceptibly improves performance. That is, in science, called a significant negative. Look it up.

Third: UofA? Uhm, its UA, and who the hell said I am in Engineering? You should get some remedial reading help.

Fourth: You quickly discount the results of one study that indicated that riders weren't able to reliably able to discern wheel stiffness quality. That study implied that riders had a probability of about 50% of "choosing" correctly. This suggests that riders couldn't with any accuracy ascribe performance benefits to a wheel, further suggesting that there may be no correlation (Uhm, correlation in the statistical sense. Again, look it up.) between wheel stiffness and performance gain/benefit.

Fifth: One point on a curve? Well, FYI, you can't fit a curve to one point. You can fit an infinite number of curves, but not one. Your math skills appear to be exceedingly weak. I did not draw a determination from "one point." You clearly don't understand the whole scientific method thing.

Sixth: Increased wheel stiffness has it's greatest effect entering corners under braking and exiting corners under power. It helps to maintain steering precision and confidence. Conversely, mid-corner increased wheel stiffness is not a bonus as the out of plane force inputs to the wheel are bumps, cracks, gravel and the like. A stiff wheel bounces off those defects, while a less stiff wheel flexes more in response to said inputs and better maintains its line. So, Professor, please tell me then which one is better and please justify your answer.

Alas, your presentation, as do all of your presentations, relies only on font trickery. Otherwise you've proven nothing, nor have you even shown that understand what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by alienator

Wow. As usual, even with your deft use of colors, italics, and bold font, you read things that weren't even there.

First, perhaps you ought to read John's stuff more carefully.

Second, there has been no study that has shown any connection between frame or wheel stiffness that significantly or perceptibly improves performance. That is, in science, called a significant negative. Look it up.

Third: UofA? Uhm, its UA, and who the hell said I am in Engineering? You should get some remedial reading help.

Fourth: You quickly discount the results of one study that indicated that riders weren't able to reliably able to discern wheel stiffness quality. That study implied that riders had a probability of about 50% of "choosing" correctly. This suggests that riders couldn't with any accuracy ascribe performance benefits to a wheel, further suggesting that there may be no correlation (Uhm, correlation in the statistical sense. Again, look it up.) between wheel stiffness and performance gain/benefit.

Fifth: One point on a curve? Well, FYI, you can't fit a curve to one point. You can fit an infinite number of curves, but not one. Your math skills appear to be exceedingly weak. I did not draw a determination from "one point." You clearly don't understand the whole scientific method thing.

Sixth: Increased wheel stiffness has it's greatest effect entering corners under braking and exiting corners under power. It helps to maintain steering precision and confidence. Conversely, mid-corner increased wheel stiffness is not a bonus as the out of plane force inputs to the wheel are bumps, cracks, gravel and the like. A stiff wheel bounces off those defects, while a less stiff wheel flexes more in response to said inputs and better maintains its line. So, Professor, please tell me then which one is better and please justify your answer.

Alas, your presentation, as do all of your presentations, relies only on font trickery. Otherwise you've proven nothing, nor have you even shown that understand what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by alienator

Wow. So educated. You really know how to turn a phrase. Rant on, fella. Italicize. Capitalize. Underline. Put it in a bold font, in a rainbow of colors. That's impressive.

Originally Posted by alfeng

You're still spewing piss!

Originally Posted by AngryPenguin

In terms of stiffness go with what feels good for you, although we can't agree how much difference it makes I think feeling good about the wheels is more important than any energy lost.

Originally Posted by jackchoo

which is faster?

a guy who weighs 80kg on 9kg road bike OR that same guy, who lost 3kg (to 77kg) on a 12kg road bike (ok assuming its the same bike and i stick 3kg of dead weight to the top tube?)