another custom Wheel question - Page 2

Yes, while the DT 340 is less expensive than the DT 240, I guess it is still on the expensive side ...

The cost difference underscores what an exceptional value the Ultegra hub is ... but, as I said, I think that all the Shimano hubs are good as long as someone takes the time to adjust them ...

In that vein, FWIW, the less expensive Campagnolo hubs are a very good value, too ... but, they should be since the Veloce/Mirage are basically an older Record model without a grease port. The only (?) problem that I can discern with the less expensive Campagnolo hubs is their boat-anchor weight.

Any significant difference between Ultegra and 105?

Are they just cosmetics? Or do the differences extend beyond skin deep ?

Excuse my 'iggorance', but are the new Ultegra and 105 hubs similar to the 9sp ones I've got? Like: balls and cones and same or similar dimensions?

Small points but Veloce/Mirage were the cart bearing, steel axled models. Record/Chorus/Centaur were the nice, oversized aluminum axled type that were made from 1999 thru 2006 but are no more(alas). Centaur hubs survived(same cart bearing as Veloce, steel axle) thru 2007 but are gone now as well.

32h Record is the only hub Campagnolo is offering and I think that's a huge mistake considering the general poor design and construction of so many wheelsouttaboxes out there now.

Yes. Cup and cone, 1/4 inch balls in the rear, 3/16 in the front. Well made, polished cones, very nice. Add grease and adjust well and they will last a long time. Also they retain the freehub body bolted onto the hub body design, not the 'free floating' freehub body of 7800 series or 7900.

shimano makes some great hubs, well made, servicable, inexpensive. For a gent that has shimano/sram stuff, my first choice for wheelbuilding.

As far as I know, the cups are "diamond polished" on the Ultegra & Dura Ace hubs beginning with the so-called 9-speed hubs (i.e., 6500 & 7700) ...

Supposedly, a better bearing grade in the Ultegra & DA hubs than the 105/etc. hubs ...

The locking nuts on the Ultegra & DA is chrome plated vs. "painted" steel -- that's probably more an issue for a race mechanic since they would be slightly easier to clean ... for the average rider, they would be less likely to rust. Whether that is considered a cosmetic issue is up to the end user.

I don't think there is a difference in the alloy used in the hubshell, so THAT aspect is cosmetic.

Dura Ace hubs are available in various hole drillings. I don't know what the current status is with the Ultegra hubs. I think the 105-and-below are probably only available drilled for 32h & 36h wheels.

THANKS for the correction ... the last MIRAGE hub I bought was probably made about a half dozen years ago ... and, I believe the parts could be used to rebuild an older Record hub that I have.
FWIW. Yes, that is a curious decision on their part ...

Perhaps, not so much the lack of a 36h hub, but one would think that a 28h hub/-set would still be available as a special order.

Didn't Coppi have 28h wheels -- at least, on the front? How many sets of 28h hubs did Campagnolo sell in the 50s & 60s OR were they all special drillings?

FWIW. I think that it is the cups that are polished on the Utegra & DA hubs ... I don't recall actually noticing any difference in the cones.I concur that Shimano makes great hubs ... it's one of the reason's that I 'love' Shimano.

Well, the rims of my curent wreels are worn and cones and freehub body of rear wheel needs replacement (maybe it is servicable- i don't know). So i decide to make new wheels- ALEX DA16 rims can't be bought at my LBS anyway.

My LBS stores only MTB version of 340. After good thinks said about Shimano hubs i cant find reason not to go with Ultegra hubs (would go with 105 but those are not avilable in 28h version).

I allready have light (relative to wheels) tyres- Conti GP4000S.

What about rims? I am still unsure which one would be better for me- 20mm or 30mm profile. I can get Mavic (Open Pro or CXP33), or DT Swiss (rr1.1 or rr1.2). RR 1.2 looks heavy compared to CXP33 and are more expensive.
Any suggestions on rims choice?

Mavic Open Pro - ignore the Ceramic braking surface ones. Only the black is available in 28H.

Thanks. Same axle diameter?

I've got plenty of old 8 and 9sp hubs that are still going fine

Okay class, what's wrong with this picture?

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You have an attitude that rubs me very bad, I do not like you, and I also wish you to banish from my thread.

C'mon, eBay Deutschland is your best friend. My German isn't perfect but I can get some nic e**** there. I got a BMW with low miles for next to nothing when I was over there. Stop being a 'gotta have new' guy and get some nice used stuff for half price. Most european LBSs are worse than US ones..., cool guys but obscene prices.

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CXP-33 are far better rims than OpenPro rims. DT 1.1 are tremendous but 32h are the only double eyelet ones. You can get 28h but single eyelet. OK but you have to be carefiul to not exceed 100 kgf in tenson. 1.2 are great also but really heavy(almost 600 grams). Dt 1.1 in 32h or CXP-33 would be my choices. Here CXP-33 in black and DT are the same price.

Hey!! They're only 580 to 585! I've built 8 of them and weighed each one