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FWIW, I have just completed a review of my 2006 training rides through mid-October (181 ride files and ~340 hours) from the perspective of ride efficiency. What do I mean by training ride efficiency? I am primarily focused on L4-L7 efforts (the mix varies, but my primary ride goal always encompasses one or more of these levels), so I measure training ride efficiency as total minutes at L4-L7 divided by total minutes on the bike. I then summarize my ride time by week. Attached is the frequency distribution of my training efficiency index by week for this year. BTW, these are real minutes by level (e.g., L4 is >= 10mins duration and >=91%FTP) and not simply a frequency distribution of the watts data series. My basic observation is that even though I work very hard at being efficient in the use of my training time, I can make still further progress. My overall ride efficiency index for the year is 44.5%, but some of my weeks were as low as 10-20%. My trainer rides are my most efficient rides, hands down. Even when I go out for a long L4 (I have the perfect route just 5mins from my front door -- 15 miles long, 1.6% avg upgrade, typically upwind), it's only a little more than 50% efficient due to the long descent back home. I think I can push my road rides up to ~50% efficient and my trainer rides are always >75% efficient. So, I think I can milk at least 10% more efficiency out of my rides. 10% is a pretty big deal when applied to >20,000 minutes year-to-date. |
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Your various posts on this subject have inspired me to pay more attention to how much time I spend at or above L4 but I don't really understand how this works when applied to long rides. I find it hard to believe that most cyclists with an accurately measured FTP would be able to routinely spend anywhere near 50% of a 4-5 hour ride at levels L4-L7. So you might argue that rides of that duration aren't necessary but my two biggest events next year will both be 5+ hours in length. I'll say this: if you can do a 4-hour ride with 2+ hours at or above L4 then either your FTP is incorrect or you've reached the point where your training is no longer improving your FTP which means you're wasting your time. --Steve |
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My broader point is that I think I work as hard as anybody I know at riding as much as possible at L4 and above and I still have a total ratio less than 50%. I would be willing to bet that if everybody knew these numbers (they aren't easily obtained) that 45% would be among the highest ratios (unless someone rides predominantly on a trainer). The reason this is a key topic is because we all have limited training time (even the pros) and how efficiently we use that time has a lot to do with the physiological benefits and, consequently, race performance. I put my numbers down because it's difficult to discuss such subjects without specific data. |
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How would you define ride efficiency for a stage racer, an Ironman triathlete or alike? I've been closely involved in training/racing aspects of long distance athletes over many years. In other disciplines though. For an Ironman athlete, running imposes its dose of low level training. Therefore stating that these guys should aim at training at L4 + as much as possible would be close to ridicule in my opinion. For a marathon swimmer, in the '90s, some volume would be done at the lower end of L4, most volume would be done at L3/2. The results have always been good. My best result was a second position in a world cup event. Best result of one swimming training with my boss was a victory in a world cup event (only five Canadians had won this event over 44 years). That question has been bugging me for a while now. What is considered ride efficiency for a long distance cyclist? Last edited by SolarEnergy; 11-03.-2006 at 08:17 PM. |
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To follow up with Solar's question... I'm training for a one-day event of just over 100 miles. For the first 72 miles the lead pack stays together (only 4500 feet of climbing) but in the last 30 miles the pack disintegrates due to approximately 6000 feet of climbing. The winner (typically a domestic pro) will finish in about 5 hours with the next 50 finishers being spread out over the next hour. How do I train for such an event and how do we define efficiency in this case? Increasing my FTP with L4-L7 work is important but surely I need to spend at LEAST one day a week on a long ride and I need to do hill work. I also need to try to train myself to be able to finish the last 1-2 hours of my long ride as close to L3-L4 as possible. --Steve |
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I think SolarEnergy hits on a very important question. I guess you could also ask, What are you training for? Maybe this is the scale you're essentially hinting at, that there's some optimal mix of high intensity work that needs to be done compared with overall work based on your target event. So maybe the inverse relation goes something like... 1 hour: 60% 2 hour: 50% 3 hour: 40% 4 hour: 30% 5 hour: 20% 6 hour: 10% Of course this is all just made up. It also touches on the standard caveat, "What works for me may or may not work for you." Maybe that's another way of saying you're training for a 2 hour event and I'm training for a 3 hour event. I also wonder about L4. Didn't I read acoggan suggest that L2-L4 are really different flavors of aerobic training? Given that, does L4 count in this high intensity mix? Likewise, does the 10% increase mark an unmaintainable workload over those 20,000 minutes? Interesting discussion which brings up a lot of questions. |
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Assuming you get enough consecutive minutes at your L4 interval and you just happen to take more time resting (or waiting at a stop light, or talking on the phone, etc) did you really get a less effective workout? Say you gain 10% more efficiency on your road rides, won't that just equate to shorter rides? or maybe harder breaking and harder sprinting to maximize your time in the "zone." Nobody has unlimited time to waste, but many mornings I have done a ride and been back at home thinking "I'm just sitting here now doing nothing, what difference would it have made if I took 5 min between my L4 intervals or 15 min. to go explore that one street that I've been wanting to check out." This is especially more evident in the evening when I could have spent 1 hour on the trainer and 1 hour doing nothing on the internet, or 1:30 on the trainer and only 30 min doing nothing on the internet. Do you equate being more efficient with being more effective? |
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Of course, given that my events next year are endurance, it surely begs the question of just how efficient I need to be. But then, there's a case to be made for segmenting my weekly training into adaptation rides (L4+) and endurance riding (L2/3), then asking the question, how efficient are my adaptation rides? |
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