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Ah yes, I can see logical outcome. I've gotta exclusively train L7 till it becomes L1...... Just think how fast I'll be then

I swear I know folks that seem to believe this, they're out hammering for 30 seconds at a shot and wondering why they still get dropped on 20 minute climbs.

Not knockin' ya on the L5/L4 quote Spunout, it's a good way to think about it... sooner or later you've got to raise the bar, the question is when and how much.

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HAHAHA... nice. And since energy production is a continuum - we should just train in L1 for 8 hrs a day. We'll be champs...
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HAHAHA... nice. And since energy production is a continuum - we should just train in L1 for 8 hrs a day. We'll be champs...
To extrapolate, 24 hrs a day at L0 (Long Slow Vegetation) could be just as beneficial. There's got to be something to it since such a large part of the populace subscribes to that training approach.
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To extrapolate, 24 hrs a day at L0 (Long Slow Vegetation) could be just as beneficial. There's got to be something to it since such a large part of the populace subscribes to that training approach.
Awesome.

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To extrapolate, 24 hrs a day at L0 (Long Slow Vegetation) could be just as beneficial. There's got to be something to it since such a large part of the populace subscribes to that training approach.
So how come the RAAM riders aren't faster when they get done? (I mean, once they can hold their necks up without apparatus and get over their saddle sores.)
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So how come the RAAM riders aren't faster when they get done? (I mean, once they can hold their necks up without apparatus and get over their saddle sores.)
Because they ride too damn hard. Compared to what I'm suggesting RAAM is HIT from hell.
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If short interval sessions (Nx5 min or Nx2 min Vo2max-type) aren't measurably helping to raise sustainable power (i.e. FTP) is there any point to them when training exclusively for TTs?

(apart from "for variety" or "pain=good")

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Why do you assume that they aren't? There have been studies that have tested high intensity training routines in relation to 40k TT efforts that have found a significant improvement in times over standard L2/L3-ish training. What was found was that LT as a percentage of VO2 max stayed relatively unchanged at about 84%, but that the higher ceiling raised threshold speed and power proportionately. The higher VO2 max pulled up FTP.

This is one thing I find kind of annoying about this site. The allegience to certain training philosophies starts to border on dogma. Don't get me wrong, SST and FTP and L4 training are very useful ways and techniques to get a high level of performance and establish a system that is easy to grasp and apply to everyday schedules. I just think there are different ways to get to the same goal. Billat and Morris style HIT techniques have their place as a foundation for training and shouldn't be dismissed. One philosophy pushes up FTP from the bottom, the other pulls it up from the top.
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This is one thing I find kind of annoying about this site. The allegience to certain training philosophies starts to border on dogma.
Agree.

On L5 effects, read Jeukendrup (he works with Rabobank) 'High Performance Cycling' early in the book on high intensity invervals improving 40km TT times. I believe his 100% intensity would be MAP and not FT.
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This is one thing I find kind of annoying about this site. The allegience to certain training philosophies starts to border on dogma.
Oh, I dunno man. I think on this topic we've had a bit of lively discussion with some differing views expressed. In fact, many of the posters feel that VO2 work is important. I also think that a lot of us realize that no two individuals respond to the same stimulus the same way.
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This is one thing I find kind of annoying about this site. The allegience to certain training philosophies starts to border on dogma.
Take heart. I don't think anyone on this thread ever agreed with the erroneous initial assumption, and in fact almost unanimously agreed with you that L5 intervals *would* be beneficial (whoops, that does sound a little dogmatic....).

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