Ibuprofen before Vo2 max workouts? You too? - Page 5

Sorry mate, I keep forgetting there are so many dickheads on these forums too. Arguing is one thing - getting disrespectful is another.

LOL! You must have a really ****ty life...you're so small of a man that you're STILL trying to convince yourself of your own manhood by accusing me of lacking same...little boy, please go away - go pick on somebody your own size

You were amusing a few posts ago, but now you're going to be ignored...and YOU may have the last word as I KNOW your ego needs it...

Right.

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Quite interesting this use of drugs outside of their specific use. (I assume it comes out from the "american idea" of drugs, which lead them - apart from a crazy sanitary system - to the lowest life expectance in the western world. Well this is only my opinion, I have several data that support this but I'll be going OT)

Anyway, to remain in topic, I don't use Ibuprofen when I have to do painful trainings, and (sincerely, nothing personal, it's only my opinion) I think that it's only a symptom of mental weakness... can't you afford the pain related to doing cycling? Confronting yourself with the pain *is* a training itself, you shouldn't try to avoid it.....

By "crazy sanitary system", I'm guessing you mean our health care system. I'd say the main factors in our lower life expectancy vs Italy isn't the use of drugs, or our health care, but instead our lack of exercise and excessive diets. Most americans go everywhere by car, with very little walking needed. And the diet.....how many "drive-thru" restaurants do you have in Pisa where you can pick up a Big Mac, fries and Coke for a quick 1200 kcal lunch?

Back on topic, an old riding buddy of mine once told me he thought all his training didn't make him stronger, only better able to tolerate the pain

Let's see: "Symptom of mental weakness"? "Can't 'afford'(?) the pain"?! "Don't take it personally"?! LOL! Another highly uninformed and ignorant opinion... But hey, you're entitled to your opinions and this is a forum where you're free to share them - not that you should though. Lastly, thanks for your advice...LOL!

I think we have reached the conclusion whereby any opinion other than YOUR opinion is ignorant, uniformed and merely laughable for you to even bother reading...ironic isn't it?

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Agreed... he should go back to his laughable NFL career where there was that one fumble in '89 and then the interception he managed on Christmas Eve... all the normal starters must have been taking Christmas off at that stage which allowed the steal. Shame he got tackled 3 yards later.*

* I know nothing about NFL, but from those stats even a water boy could have done better.

Precisely. Change "afford" with "face", only... wrong verb, cmon

You shouldn't face a training saying "I don't want to suffer that much, so I take something"; when doing a race you'll face your pain entirely, you couldn't run away...and a person that afforded his pain and did a training like yours without taking ibuprofen will handle the situation better than you. My own thought is that trying to avoid pain, yes, is a mental weakness... you shouldn't try to avoid pain, pain is not your friend, it's not an enemy; it's there, stop. Just saying this 'cos I want to give a hand with my experience...believe me or not!

LOL! This is amusing! Your other mate is on the ignore list, but you my friend are fair game! For awhile anyway, until I get bored with you as well...

Before you want to critique my NFL career, let's see yours. Didn't think so...you loser!

Get off it, already...I know my mental toughness is lacking . Hell, just to let you in on some additional mental weakness of mine - I take aspirin when I have a headache; I'll sometimes take pseudoephidrine when I have nasal congestion from a cold...there you go, more ammunition for your little potshots...

this sounds good on the surface but if you think about it even just a little.. it's actually not sound advice... take the below as an example...

which do you think would give better training and resulting adaptation?

a) ride at 12 noon in blazing sun, 40 degrees C, 100% humidity when you can only manage 3.5W/kg for your threshold intervals
b) ride in the morning or evening when it's 20 degrees C and humidity has dropped when 4.5W/kg is very doable

i'll go with b)...

sure at noon you'll feel WAY more pain per watt doing your intervals... but is that what you want? the resulting volume of training stress (TSS) will be MUCH less since you are only capable of so much pain. so with one's personal pain threshold you can get WAY more done with b) than a). or for b) you could ride pain free at the same power of a) and get the same work done...

there is a widely held misconception that more pain is necessarily always accompanied with more training stress... this is simple not the case. the goal is to maximize training stress... not pain... contrary to popular belief they are not the same thing.

Tony (I suppose), taking an aspirine with an headache is a proper use of a medicine; taking pseudoephedrine must be done under medical prescription (if I remember well...), but if your medic suggests to take it, well, take it! These examples have nothing to do (imho) with taking ibuprofen to suffer less pain when doing training...

@doctorspoc: I noticed in your post that you think that I reccomend "more pain is necessary". Did I say that? Did I put in common training suffer and pain associated to effort? Well, no. I think I've only said "trying to prevent pain when training is a symptom of mental weakness", I drawed no conclusion except that I suggest not to fear pain when (or before) training! I didn't say "go training with 50°C" or "don't drink water before km 250" or something like that, ok?

you did say "...and a person that afforded his pain and did a training like yours without taking ibuprofen will handle the situation better than you."

this is likely not to be true... if tonyzackery can train harder (i.e. more power) when he takes ibuprofen he is better off than not.. i.e. he is able to train harder (more power) at the same pain as without ibuprofen, he's better off.

and i agree with you that getting use to riding with pain is part of the puzzle, but being able to train at a higher absolute intensity (power) means greater adaptation leading to better performance on race day, greater power for a given amount of pain... again it's about maximizing training stress, not about maximizing pain.

.......so if we say that training with EPO allows for a higher intensity does that mean it's good in the same manner as Ibuprofen?


just kidding....sort of

(by the way I have no room to talk since I have a very tainted past and went much further than using Ibuprofen. So I am by no means a saint. I just thought I would add that the same mindset that would use Ibuprofen to improve performance is just a touch short of those like myself that went all the way.)

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Essentially, yes, except that one is on the banned substance list and the other is not (at least, not until the Computrainer timetrial competition governing body discovers the performance enhancements that Tony has been experiencing while he's kicking everyone else's butts).

There are many substances that people use legally to enhance their training/racing, from caffeine to Gu gels. Nothing wrong with using any and all legal means to improve..... until the rules change of course, and then it's a horrible, horrible travesty.