Why winter train so much?

Maybe it's just me, I've been into competitive cycling for almost 10 yrs since i was 14. I use to be very adamant about keeping up with training during the winter. But I've realized, it really doesn't matter - for me at least. As long as I keep riding at least a couple times a week (RIDING- you know, what cyclists did back in the day, no techno-structured-scientific purpose training), that come spring, I can hop on the bike 4/5 days a week and within a month be near top form if I wanted to be. Heck, even two hard weeks will have me moving pretty well.

So with that said, I think it's almost a waste to go through all that mentally draining winter TRAINING (dreadful indoor torturefests, or super cold/wet horrible weather road rides that trash your bike.) I ride nearly yearround in new england here, but only on good days. That means I usually have 2-4 weeks of almost no riding. So what. Doesn't matter.

I don't know, maybe the payoff is worth it for some. I just hope you enjoy it, otherwise it's kind of pointless.

On a side note, this should be my last winter here! I am graduating school in May and despise winter, so I will be moving south!

I guess my point is, a cat 4 living up north doesn't need to buy a $1000 indoor cycle and plan out every week of riding all winter long in order to race well in the spring with the goal of making it to cat 3 the following year.

Enjoy your riding!

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i think key words in your description:
10years
cat4

you seem like you just like riding, thats great. however, many people want to improve. that might mean making it to the pro ranks, or maybe just beating their friends on group rides. with your system you probably see very little improvements year-to-year.

You miscontrued my message. I mentioned cat 4s bc that is likely the typical user on this forum. I'm actually a 2, and quite happy with my success on the bike. I actually stopped pursuing road racing as a goal 3 years ago. I'm more into having fun on the bike while still being 95% as fast with MUCH less painful training.

There are many pros who think like me though. Of course they probably arn't the top ones either, but still.

As far as year to year improvement. I still don't think it's neccessary to put a lot of emphasis on winter training. In season training is sooo much more important. Once you reach a level, if is much easier to get back to that level after a long rest period, the next time you build up. As long as you keep riding with some intensity, you won't deteriate like many fear.

That's great if there are guys here who have goals of being an elite amatuer or higher, but I think the majority are more interested in cat 3/4 racing or club riding. At these levels, I don't believe it's neccessary to put soo much effort into winter training. You run the likelyhood of burning out before the season gets in swing. That's all I'm trying to say.

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Velomanct, it will all make sense to you in 10 or 15 years.

I'm just a "recreational rider", but training hard is just my simple joy in life.Even if some kind of research study came out to back your statement I would still train hard in the winter. My desire is not to race, but even with my limited time my perspective is to put my body through near the level of those who compete.

So why would a recreational rider like myself go through the rigors of training like this if I am not racing? Simply because I love training in a progressive manner. However, I have seen the payoff for me as the group that I ride with on the weekend is above my level and the last two winters of training hard has helped me gain some ground and stay with them a little better.

Actually I find recovery days to be real irritating. I wish my body could handle training at a high level 7 days a week. On days that I don't train I don't sleep good that evening.

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I am actually more intense and improve FTP more during winter because there isn't much else to do in winter. I do it because I am riding faster in my 40s than I ever have and I'm not done yet. I have been around 280w most of this year now and I am sick of being below 300w so I am even more determined to break through that barrier by spring. There is also a competition going on at the gym on the virtual bikes this winter and it bugs me when some one in my age group is above me on the leader board

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Some facts. 1) Apart old school teachings about long rides ("manteinance work" ) in winter, it is (*statistically*) demonstrated that who does long training in winters without forcing has (often) higher shape peaks during spring + summer

2) For the amateurs who race "seriously", i.e. 1-2 times every weekend from late january to october, a month or a month and a half of "winter long rides" are helpful; they allow you i) to relax your mind with your friends and discover new places (something that is unusually done during the racing year.... and, again, it helps relaxing your mind) ii) to control your weight, and your general physical shape.

The "mental relax" is very important... a Lampre rider told me that after the Lombardia they usually put the bike aside for 2-3 weeks, and then thay do some stages in hot places starting from half november (in those stages they work more or less depending on the team programme).
If you don't get that fat (1-2 kg...) I think that you could also stop for a month... but keep an eye on the balance :-P

IOW, you found the pinnacle of your ability long ago and are now okay with a casual approach since the extra 5% wouldn't make a difference anyway. That's fine, but what's wrong with winter training for those who came into the sport later in life and are still making progress towards their goals?

I guess if everyone just quit training then you wouldn't lose any more ground, but other than that I can't imagine why you would care whether others train during the winter or not.

You might find, as someone who's been riding for 10 years, that you don't lose too much fitness during a short hiatus, but you're dead wrong to draw conclusions about cat4's on that basis. The longer you've been riding the less quickly you'll detrain during a period of inactivity. As someone who started riding last year, I had a month of almost complete inactivity (international trip) this January right before the beginning of the collegiate season. The effect on my fitness was disastrous and pretty much ruined my season. For new riders, riding consistently throughout the winter is key to avoiding detraining, making improvements from year to year and establishing a lasting base of fitness. It's also extremely important if you want to do well in early spring races.

Edit: Oh, and by the way, some of us, even us Cat4's(), actually enjoy structured training.

for those that have 10 or less years to race/live, winter training is very enjoyable.

I know exactly where you are coming from...I just love training. Sitting on the bike or playing with the weights and not feeling I pushed myself seems like a waste of time. This week has been a pain in the a$$ for me as I am finally listening to all the periodization talk and taking off a couple weeks and been putting in more hours at lower watts...2 hours at 160 both days this weekend....boring!

Probably the reason I do not improve so lets see how this works out...love experimenting so lets have fun. Play with the diet and the weight lifting also.

-js

The OP is not saying he is against winter training for those that wish to, but that in most cases, an athlete could wait until the last couple months before the season and find race form just fine, without having to suffer through the months that don't matter.

I just got off the indoor bike an hour ago after 2 hrs of SST (even though it was fairly nice outside), so I feel like you are addressing guys like me. Let me be blunt. I just like to beat myself up and make the WKO+ charts look good. If that's what I like to do, why would I stop during the winter?

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I suspect some particularly talented racers might be able to get away with that. But I strongly disagree that most racers could blow off winter training, wait till a few months before important events and race well. I've come into seasons with scant base after injuries or work interruptions and have raced seasons with good preseason preparation. The difference is night and day for me.

I'm not doubting it could work for some, I remember George Mount coming out of retirement in the early '90s and blowing the doors off the NorCal masters even though he was visibly out of shape. But for most folks winter is the time to build core metabolic fitness and to build a deep training base regardless of the base building philosophy they subscribe to. Skip that foundation work and it's easy to find yourself playing catchup all season.

But please, if you're racing masters races around here I strongly urge you to skip winter base building. There's plenty of time to get your fitness tuned up once racing starts

-Dave

what winter?

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