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Default Couple quick questions with TSS/CTL jumps

I don't have WKO, but calculate my own TSS/CTL from the available information. TSS is easy, but I'm just starting with the CTL calculations.

CTL is a rolling 6 week average of weekly TSS, right? Eg, sum up 6 weeks of TSS and divide by 6?

So, is it theoretically possible to jump from a CTL of 8 to 126 by putting in an 880TSS week?

Is it possible to jump from a CTL of 76 to 235 by putting in 1644TSS in one week? Does that sound reasonable? I think my calculations are wrong...
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CTL is a rolling 6 week average of weekly TSS, right?
No. It is an exponentially-weighted moving average with a (default) time constant of 6 wk (i.e., a half-life of 29 d).
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No. It is an exponentially-weighted moving average with a (default) time constant of 6 wk (i.e., a half-life of 29 d).
May I have the formula for calculating it?

Trying to match it is fairly similar to a 3-period moving average trendline. I cannot get an exponential or polynomial curve (even 6th order) to fit it. Even given this, I cannot extract a value from a graph with this program.

If I wanted to calculate it in MS Excel (until this college student can afford WKO+, probably in February right before collegiate season), how can I go about doing it so that I get an accurate number?

Thank you.
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May I have the formula for calculating it?

Trying to match it is fairly similar to a 3-period moving average trendline. I cannot get an exponential or polynomial curve (even 6th order) to fit it. Even given this, I cannot extract a value from a graph with this program.

If I wanted to calculate it in MS Excel (until this college student can afford WKO+, probably in February right before collegiate season), how can I go about doing it so that I get an accurate number?

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...So, is it theoretically possible to jump from a CTL of 8 to 126 by putting in an 880TSS week?...Is it possible to jump from a CTL of 76 to 235 by putting in 1644TSS in one week?...
Piotr already provided a link to the calculations, but no your examples are not possible.

With a starting CTL of 8 and an 880 TSS week your CTL would rise to approximately 26 TSS/day at the end of the week with a 42 day CTL time constant. Assuming a starting ATL of 8 or starting TSB of 0 your TSB would be approximatley -55 the day following your 880 week assuming a 7 day ATL time constant and you'd very likely be trashed from such a sudden increase in training load.

One rule of thumb on smart load building is to try to avoid sustained CTL ramp rates steeper than 5-8 points per week. So if your CTL really did start at 76 you wouldn't want it to be higher than perhaps 81-84 after a week and maybe 89-90 the following week. As your CTL load builds you'll probably want to slow that ramp rate even more to avoid overtraining and illness.

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Thanks for your help guys, that link was very useful. Incorporated ATL, CTL, TSB from it. Calculated that my current CTL is a measly 75. But, that's still a LOT better than the 48 it was last year. I went over all of last year and was able to hit a high CTL of 108, and my peak was timed perfectly (made sense, considering my results).

Time to work my CTL back up to 108+ for collegiate nationals and hopefully 120+ by SuperWeek. Thanks again for the help, guys.
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Nitro, I second Dave on his recommendation of WKO+. I had the damndest time getting mine, but I finally did. I think it's worth every bit of the price.

You know, you can try it our for free for two weeks.

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Thanks for your help guys, that link was very useful. Incorporated ATL, CTL, TSB from it. Calculated that my current CTL is a measly 75. But, that's still a LOT better than the 48 it was last year. I went over all of last year and was able to hit a high CTL of 108, and my peak was timed perfectly (made sense, considering my results).

Time to work my CTL back up to 108+ for collegiate nationals and hopefully 120+ by SuperWeek. Thanks again for the help, guys.
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Nitro, I second Dave on his recommendation of WKO+. I had the damndest time getting mine, but I finally did. I think it's worth every bit of the price.

You know, you can try it our for free for two weeks.
I know how great it is; I used it before while interning as a coach. This is why I'm trying to do my own analysis for now -- I can't really live without the basics. But, trying to save up the money for it is pretty difficult. Like I said, hopefully in time for collegiate season in Feb/March.

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