Winter Duatholon-strength and FTP - Page 5

LOL! I'm a Cat. 3/masters roadie who can sprint very well, thank you. I've done some track racing (match sprinting and mass start) with good success. Of course, with my size flat races and criteriums are my specialty. How you ever came up with this anaerobic track sprinting only emphasis for me is laughable - because I do some deadlifts in the "off season"? You know I'm doing the Computrainer time trials (with Ibuprofen, mind you ) and those are anything but anaerobic endeavors.

IMO, moderate (as in poundage and time spent) deadlifting (or any other lower body multi-joint lift) is NOT a detriment to my cycling endeavors, nor will they be for most of the 8-12hr/week crowd.

The following is a personal opinion because I am too lazy to go out and get references
In my world nutrition is => training and the timing and quality of those calories are of the most important aspect to me and the successes I have had in an activity that demanded nutrition to be handled and planned with great care than most activities.

I hear and see the writings of people make negative comments about protein supplements, but for some it just works out better. For me it works out better.

Let me give a pop quiz to pin down my point. (this is only one scenerio out of many and this example is one I witness each group ride and most of my group gets this issue wrong as they lack knowledge on the importance of nutrition)

The situation is a cyclist drives an hour to join a 75 mile high intensity group ride a couple of hours after a decent breakfast. While on the ride he consumes enough simple sugars to make it through the ride, but post recovery nutrition what should he do of the choices below?

1. Once he gets home grill a nice 8 ounce steak and a nice pasta dish to go with it? (90% of my group follow this)
2. Bring a premixed bottle of whey protein and carbohydrates to drink before starting the hour drive home?
3. Stop by a little diner and order a couple of hot dogs and a regular soda?
4. Bring a cooler with prepared containers of quality food and eat before starting the drive home.

Why not #1?

In my opinion and the opinion of those in the know realize the "window of opportunity" immediately follows a training event. The window of opportunity begins to lose effectiveness in the hour drive home, in the time lost to grilling the steak and the amount of digestive time it takes for the body to break down the steak into the nutrients the body needs.

Why #2

Explained in #1 about the window of opportunity and that whey protein has a high biological value and readily absorbed by the digestive system.

Why not #3

While it may list protein the quality of the protein from a hotdog is low, but still maybe better than not eating for hours after a training event. Still not the type of nutrients that make a good machine.

Why #4

This also a good choice to get the food down and let the body start digesting in order to get the nutrients to trickle in while the window of opportunity is at the peak time. However, for me I prefer to drink down the meal so that I can get home and start preparing or eating the next post ride meal before nap time.

I have no problem with staying in the range of 20 to 30 grams of protein per serving because I am constantly eating so my body has a constant trickling in of nutrients through each day. At the moment I am just finishing up "lunch time" and yet I am on my 4th meal today with two of those being liquid because I count my protein drink mixes as a meal. The meal I just ate was 3 ounces of grilled chicken breast and a half cup of rice. I will have another one exactly like that in a couple hours. Then I will eat 2 to 3 more meals when I get home this evening.

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i pretty much live on skim milk spiked with Carnation Instant Breakfast mix :-)

Re the deadlift thing: I could do 425lbs x 5 reps stiffleg deadlift in the mid 90's. Is that any good?

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Absolutely....that is great

and good for you on the protein milk mix

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Praise be BROTHER!! Sing it Loud!! If only they will listen...you think in cycling because of all the negative press that if you are not eating dirt and drinking water well you are doping! (yes a bit extreme!)

But in all my reading and experience NUTRITION is the key and makes up sometimes more than half of the equation for success! There is a reason why Mr. Phelps eats 6,000 calories a day and given the calories we burn and the training we do even for the weekend warriors you need the NUTRITION.

Hoping to prove that with this test.

-js

Drive home? I though this was about cycling!

... and a 75 mile high intensity ride? I think you should change your name from Felt Rider to Lance StrongArms

Unfortunately for most of us we need to drive a bit to get away from the hostile Atlanta drivers. Many do cycle in town, but I would rather be out on a rural road as do most of my club. One of my friends leads his crew seems to cope with the more urban setting of unfriendliness. I'll stick to the country roads.

For me an 18 average is pretty high intensity. I am not as strong of a cyclist as you and the rest on this forum.

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Then why bother to present your thesis?? Don't you know relating personal opinion/experience without irrefutable evidence to support such is frowned upon in this Forum. You better not be so lazy next time and go get your paperwork first; and you better make sure to cite your references...

I'm too lazy to type a rebuttle to your question.

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From your own admission WRT to your current inability to get into the drops, you might benefit more than you think from some "core work"...

There's a difference between relating your personal opinion and making statements/recommendations without a strong theoretical basis.

More often than not, I speak from personal experience, of which I'll take any day of the week over someone's strong theoretical basis...

Great. I'll keep that in mind when I read your posts.

If someone is expressing their opinon (and I think here it's usually pretty much identified up front or understood to be an opinon), then that's fine.

If someone challenges that opinion with a counter-argument with a stong theoretical basis, should that person who is stating their opinon be surprised? Should they be offended? Perhaps some people should understand that what they think they are "seeing" is not really for the reasons that their made-up theory thinks it is.

likewise...

LOL! Good one! Go and edit your post AFTER I respond to your original post. How lame...as is the passive-aggressive writing style...