Don't eat - Page 2

Piotr · #16 03-18.-2009

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Originally Posted by Geoff Vadar

I find it kind of interesting because after reading and looking at how I train I seem to naturally want to do this. For example after a longer layoff I will never load up before base. Just ride on almost empty for 4 hours. I have no reason for this outside of the fact that it just was what I would do and it felt right for some reason. But when I'm in a intense build type phase then I was all about loading carbs (even after full rest days). Again for no reason other than it just seemed to feel right.

How scientific I am. lolz.

Just a point of interest. SAS troops specifically train for the ability to 'operate on empty' and obviously see utility in that in an operational sense. Now you number buffs can come up with a new aconym for 'hours trained at gluco depleted level'.

No need. HTFU has already been time tested.

Jono L · #17 03-18.-2009

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Originally Posted by Geoff Vadar

. Now you number buffs can come up with a new aconym for 'hours trained at gluco depleted level'.

Kate and Ashley Olsen High Protein Low Food Diet.
KAOHPLFD

swampy1970 · #18 03-19.-2009

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Originally Posted by Jono L

Kate and Ashley Olsen High Protein Low Food Diet.
KAOHPLFD

If Lance only had one ball, did Ashley only get half the protein?

Jono L · #19 03-19.-2009

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Originally Posted by swampy1970

If Lance only had one ball, did Ashley only get half the protein?

Yes but more than one dose

swampy1970 · #20 03-19.-2009

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Originally Posted by Jono L

Yes but more than one dose

More than one dose? An Extra Poking for Ms Olsen

mattyb · #21 03-19.-2009

I don't think I could ignore the hunger to do this sort of training

velomanct · #22 03-22.-2009

If I am riding daily, my glycogen levels are never at full. I feel it because I always start the ride with soreness and don't have that 'kick' of energy I have when getting on the bike after 3-4 days off. Or I just suck at recovering. During stage races, such as Labitibi, I could barely climb a flight of stairs I was so sore by the end of the week.

youhaditcoming · #23 03-22.-2009

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Originally Posted by jhuskey

I have trained for a couple of years without eating before some of my rides. The theoretical purpose was to teach my body to more efficiently use fuel.
I generally do this on short intense rides.
Does it work? I think so. Am I fast? Hell no, but I still maintain that it made me better.

Andy Hampsteen wrote once in an article that to train for long races or grand tours he had to train his body to use energy more efficiently. For example, he recommended for a given day of training, a pure protein breakfast, no carbs, and then a long ride without re-fueling. He won the Giro d'Italia and the Alpe d'huez stage in the tour, so he must know what he's talking about.

Jono L · #24 03-22.-2009

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Originally Posted by youhaditcoming

Andy Hampsteen wrote once in an article that to train for long races or grand tours he had to train his body to use energy more efficiently. For example, he recommended for a given day of training, a pure protein breakfast, no carbs, and then a long ride without re-fueling. He won the Giro d'Italia and the Alpe d'huez stage in the tour, so he must know what he's talking about.

Imagine how well he could have gone if he had some carbs for breakfast...

frenchyge · #25 03-22.-2009

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__________ won the Giro d'Italia and the Alpe d'huez stage in the tour, so he must know what he's talking about.

That statement seems more and more ridiculous every time I see it.

Spunout · #26 03-23.-2009

All of you have to read the article and see that it is a base training protocol. Not a racing protocol. The science is very well stated behind this. When fuelling for intensity work, or in race phase, you must be glyclogen full, not depleted. In this instance, training is not racing.

Ever ride with someone who just hammers the group hour after hour without eating? Wonder why pros eat less on long training rides? They're naturally good at this.

If you are a recreational rider, don't even bother going here.

Spunout · #27 03-23.-2009

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Originally Posted by Jono L

Imagine how well he could have gone if he had some carbs for breakfast...

You can assume that he was properly fuelled for racing. The article noted that this is training periods only.

Doublebiker · #28 03-23.-2009

There are also discussions along the lines that the athletes of today have to train more to get the same training response as "yesterdays" athletes 'cause today's athletes are eating "to well". And there is some rethinking about antioxidants as well. The idea is that they protect you so well ,that the body don't get the right signals to compensate ("rebuild") as much (less training response) as the body normally would do.

swampy1970 · #29 03-24.-2009

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Originally Posted by Doublebiker

There are also discussions along the lines that the athletes of today have to train more to get the same training response as "yesterdays" athletes 'cause today's athletes are eating "to well". And there is some rethinking about antioxidants as well. The idea is that they protect you so well ,that the body don't get the right signals to compensate ("rebuild") as much (less training response) as the body normally would do.

That makes no sense whatsoever... If that was the case, in general, we'd all be going slower. Maybe you should run that theory through the discombobulator a few times first.

youhaditcoming · #30 03-28.-2009

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Originally Posted by frenchyge

That statement seems more and more ridiculous every time I see it.

why is that ?? what is your palmares then ?

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