Armstrong High Cadence on your low intensity rides - Page 2

I have never neen tested.. but You realize that there is a difference between exersise that would result in the direct use of lipids as fuel vs exersise that would result I'm me losing body fat reguardless of the initial energy souce.. those are two different things. losing weight just depends on a caloric deficit.

oh, and as for your presumption about me falsifying a reply, especially about testing I may have had.. you obviously don't know me.. I use a common sense aproach to guide my training and think most of the formal testing is a big waste of time and money.. si you are a little off base there in your presumtion

As a former competitive bodybuilder I have done it both ways using high intesity short duration efforts and long duration low intensity efforts in order to achieve the goal of being ultra lean lower than 5% measured by hydrostatic weighing at Georgia State University and in most season by calipers or simple pinch tests.

My beliefs of high intesity relates to my beliefs and experience as observed in my successful pre-contest training and consulting other high level bodybuilders in TEA (Thermic Effect of Activity) and EPOC (excess post-exercise oxygen consumption).

My beliefs of low intesity relates to my beliefs and experience as observed in my successful pre-contest training and consulting other high level bodybuilders.

I have also witnessed some successfully able to decrease bodyfat with little to no exercise at all by nutrition manipulation by taking the body close to or into ketosis or in other words cycling in and out of ketosis. Not a method I endorse personally.

What I find personally from high intensity training (HIT) efforts compared to low intensity efforts is that when I walk away from the HIT I will continue to sweat even after a cool shower. I can find my body temperature still running high sometimes up to an hour following training. What that tells me in obeservation is that there is a continued thermic effect and calorie usage well after the activity has stopped. Seems like a good bang for the buck if you have limited training time.

For those times when I used low intensity efforts with the main goal to conserve as much muscle mass as possible going into a bodybuilding competition I would start early on an empty stomach and go long enough to enter (beyond 30 minutes) the point where the body begins to utilize fat.

While you can find all kinds of academic papers on the web that will support one idea or the other it basically in my observances over 27 years training with athletes and for myself who sole purpose was to retain muscle mass and get leaner comes down to genetics first, nutrition quality and timing of nutrition and activity. What is important to understand that raising activity levels generally impacts RMR and to me that is what is important. Choose your weapon, be it high intesity or low intensity, but what is more important to me based on my genetics is the type and the timing of the calories ingested.

I added a link just for fun reading. Notice the last paragraphs just before the references.

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My resume on the subject at the bottom of the page.

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Disclaimer: I added the resume part in the last post as my twisted sense of humor, but also to show that I have over the years experienced both bulking up and leaning out every year as part of competition, but make no serious claims of being some sort of guru on the subject.

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+1 to what you and Tony wrote and that is why I find it silly when people talk about fat burning as if they know they are burning fat based upon a particular "zone" they are in. In the end your body does not care about where it gets its energy from and will use whatever is necessary to survive.

But strictly from a logical and anthropological standpoint it would make sense that if you are doing high intensity work out your body probably thinks you are in a fight or flight situation and will use the energy that burns fastest and easiest first which should be protein based. In a low intensity workout it will probably use other sources of energy that take longer to burn.

Last I think we should keep in mind is the adaptability of the human body, if you are doing always HIT or low intensity work outs, your body will adjust and burn energy more efficiently. This is why changing the workout and the make up of your diet regularly will produce more changes in your body.

-js

Your body will always use the most readily available energy source. You will never spare glycogen and burn fat instead.

I got it two decades ago... Literally. Thanks for pointing out again something that you already pointed out and missed the simple point of not really knowing what the guy actually wants to do with his time on the bike.

You're also, weirdly, responding to someone who's just got a cadence sensor with fun terms like TSS. I'm taking a wild stab in the dark here that they may not be upto speed (pun intended) with all the acronyms of training with power. Remember, this isn't the Power Training forum...

No... but you could always go really hard to two hours and then have to ride the 4 hours back bonked out your brains!

Eh man, I'm not interested in an argument/debate over this stuff - I know what I know about myself. I speak from own experience so as to not stick my foot in my mouth with regard to commenting on other's experiences. To tell someone that they're "just dead wrong" surely sets yourself up for a fall, which you took here.

Not interested in going with you on your next tangent of "losing weight...". The OP started this thread mentioning he/she is currently riding at low intensity in order to burn/mitigate fat. Weight loss discussion is a whole other forum to itself.

Lastly, you're pointing out that I was wrong with my speculation about you is acceptable. You're right - I don't know you. I don't know you any more than you know the OP, but that's never stopped anyone from speculating - has it?

again, with the problems reading... have a look.. nowhere in my response to the OP is the word TSS or even power...

i mentioned TSS to tonyzackery, someone i know uses power and knows what TSS is... and preceded that post with the words "i'll shamelessly continue the tangent to say..."

and look, i was providing some info that i though might help the the OP... the OP said one of his goals was "to lose fat or to keep it at bay" and the most time efficient way of doing that is "maximize load (intensity and time)".. that's what i said... no mention of power, no mention of TSS in that post to the OP... i have no idea what you are talking about and i'm pretty sure you don't either...

if you have a legitimate problem with something i say raise it, that's what these forums are for, but don't just make stuff up.. c'mon man, the posts are right there for everyone to read.. basically everything you say in your posts have been show to be complete and utter bs.. do you think that people aren't going to just scroll up the page or click back to page one to see that i don't say anything like what you ascribe to me and that you're full of it? do yourself a favor and please stop.

i think i'm right... and i don't know the OP but i do know what he wrote... the OP says "lose fat" not use fat... i think it's you that has it wrong...

Dude... NO!

Arrrghh!!!

note to self, must be very careful of what I type that swampy may use for humor

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LOL.

This is how you could do it. Similar to the cyclingnews articles on mitrochondria production. Also I've seen many euro training regimens (pro level) with a few hours of 'souplesse' after your interval training sessions.

Here you go.

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