Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Nice bump jdog. I wonder what the poll results would be if it was retaken today.

Originally Posted by Froze

I have spoken to Chris Carmichael on several different occasions, and on one of those occasions the doping problem came up. At one time Carmichael had dealings with a one Michele Ferrari who did extensive doping on her clients one of which was Lance. BUT this was before the cancer occured in Lance. When Carmichael questioned Ferrari about the possibility that the doping could have caused the cancer she replied that cancer could be one of the side effects.

Originally Posted by Runitout

Comedy gold. I like the subtle change of sex of Michele Ferrari. I wonder if anyone's told him he's a girl.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Nice bump jdog. I wonder what the poll results would be if it was retaken today.

Originally Posted by Froze

By the way just so you, and others understand; I never said I talked to Michele Ferrari, nor ever met the person, nor did gender come up in my conversation with Carmichael; with a first name like that I assumed he was a she...he is a doctor-maybe...? This conversation I had with Carmichael to place in 1998-two years after he got cancer so some of the details of the converstion are hazy such as did Carmichael say in passing the word "him" in referring to Ferrari, I just don't recall. I could have cheated and looked Ferrari up on the internet and acted like I knew, but I didn't thus didn't know.

Nor did I say or imply that Carmichael no longer had any more dealings with Ferrari after the cancer scare, or after he told Michele that he was never going to use any drugs any more.

Originally Posted by Froze

Originally I wasn't going to post about what I'm about to tell you all, but I'm tired of everyone slamming Lance around like some kind of punching bag for all you jealous whinners that only dream they could ride as well as he could and still does!

Yes, Lance is not perfect...Oh no I said that about about Lance! I don't agree with his choice of women or that he divorced Kristin Richard but that's his personal business and he has a right to do whatever he feels he should do and that goes for Kristen whom I always liked-more so then Lance! Now get your minds out of the gutter because that's not the kind of like I'm implying.

BUT, when it comes to all this doping crap...well it's just that pure crap. I have spoken to Chris Carmichael on several different occasions, and on one of those occasions the doping problem came up. At one time Carmichael had dealings with a one Michele Ferrari who did extensive doping on her clients one of which was Lance. BUT this was before the cancer occured in Lance. When Carmichael questioned Ferrari about the possibility that the doping could have caused the cancer she replied that cancer could be one of the side effects. After that Carmichael SWORE OFF EVER USING ANY FORM OF ILLEGAL DOPING EVER AGAIN-and he never has.

Thus after the cancer Lance never doped again, and Carmichael made sure of that as well as making sure no one on the US Postal team did ever by doing surprise and frequent testing.

But I'm just lying about all the above, so don't bother calling me that because I've already taken care of that for you. Now go to bed.

Originally Posted by jhuskey

Just to make things clear , I have had personal conversations with Jan Ullrich and he has never admitted doping to me, however I believe I would have a hard time convincing anyone on this forum that he was clean.

Originally Posted by Froze

Assuming you have had conversations with him, did the question of doping come up?

This was a voluntary admission by Carmichael; wouldn't that strike you odd that if you had contact with a man like Carmichael who ADMITTED that he once allowed doping, but now he doesn't and wants nothing to do with it? I found Carmichael to be a very honest and up front person; I have no reason to doubt him especially since none of the members of the US Postal team when it was in business EVER got tested positive.

Funniest post of 2008? Give me a break. Some of you are so sure that Lance did dope because no one could do what he did, and your all just plain jealous. What about Michael Phelps? He won 8 gold medals in one Olympic PLUS 6 from the previous Olympic PLUS numerous world records. I don't hear you all whinning about him doping. Oh, but now that I presented the question I'm sure you all being saying he has. Problem with Phelps is that he outsmarted you all...he has voluntarily frozen a sample of his blood to be tested at any time in the future should testing for doping improve from what it is today just in case the Olympic committee thinks he had found a way to hide it from the 2008 technology.

Good grief guys get over yourselves. Lance couldn't even win a gold at the Olympics, or any medal for that matter!!! The Tour de France is as much about strategy as it is about ability and you can't win without both...something the US Postal team had down pat.

Anyway, to make a long answer short, NO Lance did not dope.

Originally Posted by Froze

Assuming you have had conversations with him, did the question of doping come up?

This was a voluntary admission by Carmichael; wouldn't that strike you odd that if you had contact with a man like Carmichael who ADMITTED that he once allowed doping, but now he doesn't and wants nothing to do with it? I found Carmichael to be a very honest and up front person; I have no reason to doubt him especially since none of the members of the US Postal team when it was in business EVER got tested positive.

Funniest post of 2008? Give me a break. Some of you are so sure that Lance did dope because no one could do what he did, and your all just plain jealous. What about Michael Phelps? He won 8 gold medals in one Olympic PLUS 6 from the previous Olympic PLUS numerous world records. I don't hear you all whinning about him doping. Oh, but now that I presented the question I'm sure you all being saying he has. Problem with Phelps is that he outsmarted you all...he has voluntarily frozen a sample of his blood to be tested at any time in the future should testing for doping improve from what it is today just in case the Olympic committee thinks he had found a way to hide it from the 2008 technology.

Good grief guys get over yourselves. Lance couldn't even win a gold at the Olympics, or any medal for that matter!!! The Tour de France is as much about strategy as it is about ability and you can't win without both...something the US Postal team had down pat.

Anyway, to make a long answer short, NO Lance did not dope.

Originally Posted by Runitout

It strikes me as odd that Carmichael has admitted to doping his riders to a complete stranger, presumably including his star rider, and that that complete stranger somehow interprets that to mean that that rider never doped.

It strikes me as odd that you assert that no Postal rider ever tested positive at Postal, when I can think of two, and a few more who have admitted it since.

Good on Phelps for storing his blood - three golf claps for the man. I hope it was taken by a vampire in a surprise OOC.

Keep the faith, if it sustains you. Can't begrudge a man his faith.

Originally Posted by Runitout

It strikes me as odd that Carmichael has admitted to doping his riders to a complete stranger, presumably including his star rider, and that that complete stranger somehow interprets that to mean that that rider never doped.

It strikes me as odd that you assert that no Postal rider ever tested positive at Postal, when I can think of two, and a few more who have admitted it since.

Good on Phelps for storing his blood - three golf claps for the man. I hope it was taken by a vampire in a surprise OOC.

Keep the faith, if it sustains you. Can't begrudge a man his faith.

Originally Posted by earth_dweller

let it go, nothing you can say

Originally Posted by C'dale Girl

Is the question now whether we think Lance WAS doping, or are we now concerning ourselves with whether or not he's currently doping as a retired-now rec athlete? One never knows when it comes to the LA obsession factor . . .

(I guess I should be asking this of jman . . . )