American Dope Mashines - Page 4

The problem is that in USA (and other countries of cours ie: Spain) it is far too easy for a pro athlete of any sport to turn a $$$$ hungry doctor over and get what they need with professional guidence on how to use it.

I've read your comments in a few forums already and you really seem to know your stuff. I must admit I agree with alot of your opinions especially when it comes to testing ie: "The drug tests are set up for cheaters to pass".

I also believe that the big $$$$ from sponsors are prtecting certain athletes and it seems the Americans have alot more protection than other countries.

What I don't understand is that when an athlete is cought "cheating" by WADA or IOC why is he the only one blamed for the cheating. If you compare it to the street drug abuse the authorities are always after the "big fish" the dealers, the gangs the mafia. But in sports the atheletes who are just simply equivalent of a "user" or a "junkie" are persecuted in public while the "dealers" of the drugs they are taking continue to operate in anonymity.

I want to know in your own opinion why you think we never see the name of the Pharm company that supplied the EPO or other drugs to the athlete on the front page of the news paper (as in the Balco case)? Wouldn't the fight against doping be more effective if we went straight for the heart of the problem and hit them where it hurts (stock market)?

Or you can suspend them for 4 games send them to the pro bowl and give them a mega million dollar contract ala Shawn merriman SAn Diego chargers.

I hear the Russians are starting the doping at a young age these days.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

In the United States, football athletes commence oral steroids by age 15, BEFORE the 10th grade.

The USA cheats as well as any nation.

Oops,I was referring to something specific.http://english.pravda.ru/news/sports...ussia_doping-0

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

As was I:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/050420a.aspx

Specifically, US teens doing roids.

Old news! I can dig too but mine was today's news.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

Agreed. An old tale of cheating and denial in the USA.

Doping at American high schools has been on-going for 100+ years now.

PEDs are rampant at US high schools. There are 17 million US teenagers enrolled in grades 9 thru 12 and 600,000 to 1,000,000 of them abuse steroids.

That means most of the JV & Varsity football team, wrestling, tennis, swim, track, and gymnastic squads know all about steroids, diuretics and stimulants.

Steroids were present at ASU when Reggie Jackson played baseball there--long before Baroid Bonds showed up. USC was a pharmacy long before OJ Simpson, Rod Martin and Mark McGwire appeared in the gym.

This isn't an American problem guys, it's worldwide.

BUT, US visitors to the site seem to very naive if they think their athletes don't dope.

Lance Armstrong - got a backdated prescription for using steroids to cure "saddle sores" which was accepted. Are you serious? Why the hell would anybody take steroids for saddle sores? Steroids weaken the skin. You couldn't make it up.

Carl Lewis - It's in the public domain that there were many cover ups by the US drug testing authorites and Carl was the highest profile name. If your looking for a clean american sprinter, try Calvin Smith - former world record holder.
For the idiot who used Linford Christie and his Ginseng argument - never wondered why Christie looks an olympic weightlifter??? or been curious how he later got a positive test and then retired? (think his last excuse was he had been taking medicine for a cold - lol). Explain to me how all the top sprinters look like they cold lift up a buffalo with one hand. A: STERIODS


If he's never tested postive then he's clean? Sorry, this is a pathetic argument - Ullrich never tested positive, Basso never tested postive, David Millar never tested positive.... Need I go on. These guys are cheats. 95% of the pro peleton take stuff. They could not compete otherwise. I'm sure they would prefer not to cheat, but that means they can't compete - they loose their livelihood.

Back to Armstrong - Tour de France legend. Ex-discovery members include Heras (busted) Hamilton (busted) Landis (busted).... Destroyed the rest of the juiced up field after suffering cancer. Work it out guys.


Have you never wondered why all these sprinters/cyclists/ pro sportsment have asthma, colds ...etc Because the medication contains sh*t they can use as an excuse to sidestep a drugs test.


Was Lemond on drugs? The man hated and despised by all the Armstrong and Landis fanboys?? I don't know the answer to this, but Cyrille Guimard said Lemond was an extraordinary talent that could compete "without preparation" - read into this what you will. I guess Lemond did take minor stuff but wouldn't take EPO which the rest of the field started taking early 90s and was blown away by consequences.


Seriously guys, wake up and smell the coffee. (I must stress this aint an american problem though, it's worldwide in sports)

Well said.