GM Diet program - Page 2

mrblendingtree@hotmail.com (Martin Bakalorz) wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
><sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>>won't "work"?
>>
>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>
><Nit pick>
>No it won't work,
>At first you are at maintenance calories.
>After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>calories are lower.
>If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>asymptotically regain to your former weight.
></nit pick>
>
>Just had to defend hotmail posters.

[a] People don't "change lifestyles" because someone tells them to do
it. Immediate fat loss results can be a major motivation.

[b] A "lifestyle change" won't affect some things, like reduced levels
of circulating leptin due to decreases in adipose mass, so "changing
your lifestyle" is not assured to be a permanent solution.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>won't "work"?
>
>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

Just had to defend hotmail posters.

Martin

raguraam@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jajoo/gmdiet.html
>
> I just came across this diet program. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>

This is just the same old "cabbage soup" diet that as been around for a
long time. Every few years the attribution of its origin changes.
Sometimes it is a hospital, this time it is (somewhat oddly) General
Motors. I doubt very very much this has anything to do with GM.
Do a google search for "cabbage soup diet" and you'll get a lot of
reproductions of this in only slightly varying forms.
Is it effective? Well, probably, then again following the diet tricks of
italian supermodels is far from healthy. I mean, if you were told that
heavy tobacco use suppressed the appetite and stimulated your
metabolism(it does, actually) would you take up smoking?

First of all..... If people could just cut back or limit their intake
obviously they would lose weight. The problem is that most overweight
people, if not all, are having a psychological problem(s) which makes them
compulsive eaters. Sometimes starting a "new" diet will give them a mental
boost that they need to start losing weight. As they lose weight their
mental outlook gets better and this snowballs into a good amount of weight
lose. I am sure that most all diets, including this one, are not good over
the long term..... But, it may be the diet that triggers something in
certain people to take the plunge in losing weight. I would say that most
overweight people are at much more of a risk of health problems if they
don't lose the weight than if they get on a diet....so why not try a
temporary diet. Actually this diet does have some pretty good food groups
in it with the veggies and fruit. I would say that this diet is probably
better than most of the other wacko diets out there and could be beneficial
over the short run.
-just my $.02 of course.



<raguraam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jajoo/gmdiet.html
>
> I just came across this diet program. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>

"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:420babc1.112203219@News.Individual.NET...
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
> <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>>won't "work"?
>>
>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>
> <Nit pick>
> No it won't work,
> At first you are at maintenance calories.
> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
> calories are lower.
> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> asymptotically regain to your former weight.

Not only would he gain the weight back (assuming no eating-habit changes)
but he would gain it back in different places, since some of his old fat
cell storage areas had been liposuctioned away. Depending on how much fat
was lipoed off, the new fat might show up in some pretty weird spots.

I once asked a plastic surgeon I knew if a woman could enlarge her breasts
by having fat lipoed away from all over her body except for her breasts and
then eat to gain weight again. He said, "Sure, in theory at least, that
would work."

mack
austin

Mack McKinnon wrote:
> "Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:420babc1.112203219@News.Individual.NET...
> > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
> > <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
pounds
> >>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any
way, it
> >>won't "work"?
> >>
> >>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
> >
> > <Nit pick>
> > No it won't work,
> > At first you are at maintenance calories.
> > After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so
maintenance
> > calories are lower.
> > If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> > asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>
> Not only would he gain the weight back (assuming no eating-habit
changes)
> but he would gain it back in different places, since some of his old
fat
> cell storage areas had been liposuctioned away. Depending on how
much fat
> was lipoed off, the new fat might show up in some pretty weird spots.

Assuming a male would have the fat removed from the abdominal area, fat
would then accumulate in other regions in line with a adroid pattern:
upper and lower back first, then other areas that may be more
associated with a gynoid pattern: arms and thighs/hips. Eventually,
some of the preadipocytes (the fat cell precurors) in the abdominal
area would then be recruited to become differentiated fat cells and the
ab fat would slowly reappear.

> I once asked a plastic surgeon I knew if a woman could enlarge her
breasts
> by having fat lipoed away from all over her body except for her
breasts and
> then eat to gain weight again. He said, "Sure, in theory at least,
that
> would work."

Sure, theoretically it would because the excess energy has to be stored
somewhere. And the liver


> mack
> austin

Austin, TX?

> mrblendingtree@hotmail.com (Martin Bakalorz) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
> ><sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
pounds
> >>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any
way, it
> >>won't "work"?
> >>
> >>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
> >
> ><Nit pick>
> >No it won't work,
> >At first you are at maintenance calories.
> >After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so
maintenance
> >calories are lower.
> >If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> >asymptotically regain to your former weight.
> ></nit pick>
> >
> >Just had to defend hotmail posters.
>
> [a] People don't "change lifestyles" because someone tells them to do
> it. Immediate fat loss results can be a major motivation.

According to a survey presented at a seminar here, ~57% of patients
having liposuction had no weight gain 6 months post-surgery. However,
~54% of that population reported no weight changes at all. Of the ~43%
who did report weight gain 6 months post-surgery, 56% of that
population gained weight in the range of 5-10 lbs and 28% gained over
11 pounds. The small % that actually realized a weight loss through 6
months post-surgery is pathetically small.

No one can make any person do anything; it has to come from within.
Instant gratification by immdiate weight loss is only one motivation.
But it's short-term. Mostly only those with limited intelligence use
that as their only motivation. There are plenty of other derived
benefits from changing lifestlyes than immediate fatloss.

> [b] A "lifestyle change" won't affect some things, like reduced
levels
> of circulating leptin due to decreases in adipose mass, so "changing
> your lifestyle" is not assured to be a permanent solution.

Nothing in this world is 'assured'. But the high probability of losing
weight and maintaining weight loss that accompanies changing your
lifestyle is a better bet than instant gratification of liposuction.
And decreased leptin is not the only result of weight loss and can
actually be manipulated to a certain extent so as to have less impact
on weight control.

Lifestyle change is a process whereby we make conscious and informed
decisions to take control of how our body interacts with the
environment. Some of us are forced to do that if we want to live a
healthy and fulfilling life. Others do so because they plainly feel
better about themselves and the world around them. The alternative is
to sit on your ass and give in to your base impulses or continue on a
road to ****sville.

Regardless, trade offs exist for every choice we make. We are not
puppets. Well some of us are but that's their choice, too. In nearly
all of the literature associated with health issues (mental and
physical), altering lifestyle to favorably mediate the response between
you, your body and the environment is more successful than all the
quick fixes. So if someone wants to sit on their ass or take the quick
fix, that is their choice, but don't ***** about it and make excuses.

"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>>won't "work"?
>>
>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>
> <Nit pick>
> No it won't work,
> At first you are at maintenance calories.
> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
> calories are lower.
> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
> </nit pick>

I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you. However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>
> Just had to defend hotmail posters.

You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.

In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
you might want to fix that

David

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
>
>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>>>won't "work"?
>>>
>>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>>
>> <Nit pick>
>> No it won't work,
>> At first you are at maintenance calories.
>> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>> calories are lower.
>> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>> </nit pick>
>
>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you. However,
>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
however.

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
make to reach that goal?


------------------------------
Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

"elzinator" <callofthewest@nospam.net> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
>>>>pounds
>>>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,
>>>>it
>>>>won't "work"?
>>>>
>>>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>>>
>>> <Nit pick>
>>> No it won't work,
>>> At first you are at maintenance calories.
>>> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>>> calories are lower.
>>> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>>> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>>> </nit pick>
>>
>>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
>>However,
>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>
> I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
> will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
> calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
> balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
> however.
>
> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.

Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish extra
calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change". Your
definition may, of course, vary.

> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
> make to reach that goal?

Eat less, exercise more.

Trick question.

David

"elzinator" <callofthewest@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:gc5o0157vj82fkdhvh9fkrkjgocmu4vs4b@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
> >
> >"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
pounds
> >>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,
it
> >>>won't "work"?
> >>>
> >>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
> >>
> >> <Nit pick>
> >> No it won't work,
> >> At first you are at maintenance calories.
> >> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
> >> calories are lower.
> >> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> >> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
> >> </nit pick>
> >
> >I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
However,
> >I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
> >lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>
> I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
> will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
> calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
> balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
> however.
>
> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.
>
> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
> make to reach that goal?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle change
is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not done
so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I stay
changed, the longer I live).
Dr. Death got it all over Dr. Phil when I comes to fat loss and health.

--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."

David Cohen wrote:

> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
make
> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
choices.
>
> Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish
extra
> calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change".
Your
> definition may, of course, vary.

Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
challenge

> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
it
> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
to
> > make to reach that goal?
>
> Eat less, exercise more.
>
> Trick question.

It's all relative.

Dr_Dickie wrote:

> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
make
> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
choices.
> >
> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
it
> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
to
> > make to reach that goal?
>
> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
change
> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
done
> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
stay
> changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

"elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dr_Dickie wrote:
>
> > > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
> make
> > > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
> choices.
> > >
> > > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
> it
> > > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
> to
> > > make to reach that goal?
> >
> > I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
> change
> > is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
> done
> > so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> > (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> > better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
> stay
> > changed, the longer I live).
>
> That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
> example.
>
> Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
> general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
> etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
> change their lifestyle.
>
> Working with the general public is very enlightening.

Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why fad diets
are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to pull it
off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the effort
(try teaching college students chemistry!).
--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."

On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Dr_Dickie wrote:
>
>> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
>> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
>make
>> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
>choices.
>> >
>> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
>it
>> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
>to
>> > make to reach that goal?
>>
>> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
>change
>> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
>done
>> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
>> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
>> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
>stay
>> changed, the longer I live).
>
>That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
>example.
>
>Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
>general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
>etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
>change their lifestyle.
>
>Working with the general public is very enlightening.

That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
a maintenance diet is?

If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.

Life gets teejus don't it?!! ;o)

Have a great weekend - I always do!!

TFIF!!