deadlift question

I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast forward
to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.

I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in my
lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.

Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and don't
mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not causing
harm.

I never did them before i injured my back,is this similar feeling that
people that do this excercise get that never had a back injury?

<natespamacct@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
> that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast
> forward
> to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
> bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.
>
> I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
> would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in my
> lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
> It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
> that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.
>
> Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and don't
> mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not causing
> harm.
>
> I never did them before i injured my back,is this similar feeling that
> people that do this excercise get that never had a back injury?

Based solely on what you've said, I'd say you ought to back off for a
little while, using fewer reps, less weight, or both. If your back is
so tired you almost can't stand up, you're just asking for an injury,
and the injury might take place when you try to get up off the couch a
few hours later.

It would help to see a video of you doing this, or at least an online
video that you think looks like the form you use, plus some idea of your
age, height/weight, lifting background, lifting goals, etc.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> Based solely on what you've said, I'd say you ought to back off for a
> little while, using fewer reps, less weight, or both. If your back is
> so tired you almost can't stand up, you're just asking for an injury,
> and the injury might take place when you try to get up off the couch a
> few hours later.
>
> It would help to see a video of you doing this, or at least an online
> video that you think looks like the form you use, plus some idea of your
> age, height/weight, lifting background, lifting goals, etc.
>
> -S-

Steve
Thx for reply.
I'll have to try to find a video online after work. I'm using what
after i've researched... to be good form. I'm generally very
concientious of form. And keep the weight right up against my legs.

I'm 31 M, 6'7" 240 lbs, with solid muscular build(on the ectomorph
side) after 4 years of serious lifting.

One thing i've wondered is if due to my height i'm actually putting too
much stress on my back since the length of my torso in relation to
where the weight is supported and all that good physics 101 stuff.
There has to be more stress at the lowerback/fulcrum.

Thanks for any insight.

<natespamacct@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Based solely on what you've said, I'd say you ought to back off for a
>> little while, using fewer reps, less weight, or both. If your back
>> is
>> so tired you almost can't stand up, you're just asking for an injury,
>> and the injury might take place when you try to get up off the couch
>> a
>> few hours later.
>>
>> It would help to see a video of you doing this, or at least an online
>> video that you think looks like the form you use, plus some idea of
>> your
>> age, height/weight, lifting background, lifting goals, etc.
>>
>> -S-
>
> Steve
> Thx for reply.
> I'll have to try to find a video online after work. I'm using what
> after i've researched... to be good form. I'm generally very
> concientious of form. And keep the weight right up against my legs.
>
> I'm 31 M, 6'7" 240 lbs, with solid muscular build(on the ectomorph
> side) after 4 years of serious lifting.
>
> One thing i've wondered is if due to my height i'm actually putting
> too
> much stress on my back since the length of my torso in relation to
> where the weight is supported and all that good physics 101 stuff.
> There has to be more stress at the lowerback/fulcrum.
>
> Thanks for any insight.

No words of wisdom for you but I'll offer my own experiences as someone
who's had back problems - I do conventional deadlifts only, which means
I keep my back arched in or at least flat the entire time. I also do
kettlebell swings which I find help my back tremendously. The bent-back
deadlift is not an exercise for the faint-of-back - I've only recently
introduced rounded back lifting into my training, and it's with light
weights and in small doses. (I shoulder a 100 lb. sandbag for sets of 5
reps once a week or so, but even then I try to keep my back as
straight/flat as possible.)

The result is that my lower back isn't terribly flexible but I get by -
I work hard on hamstring and other flexibility, I can put my palms on
the ground with my knees locked, and I will continue to work on
bent-back stuff very slowly and deliberately. Most bad backs have some
component of looseness in the connective tissue as well as weakness in
the musculature, IMHO. It's possible to strengthen the musculature
isometrically doing regular deadlifts, and the kettlebell swings hit the
connective tissue just the right amount for me, which is to say briefly
but intensely. There's just too much chance of overloading connective
tissue in the lift you're doing for me. If I was going to do it, I'd
pick a very light weight, probably not much more than an empty bar,
maybe up to 135 lbs. or so - just my guess, have never tried it and
probably never will

Just my experience, YMMV. See my web site for more on my personal back
and training history if it interests you.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:10:24 -0400, "Steve Freides"
<steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

>It would help to see a video of you doing this,

Will he have to be nude, like the one you requested I send you?

TBR
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more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

natespamacct wrote:

> I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
> that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast forward
> to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
> bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.
>
> I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
> would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in my
> lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
> It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
> that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.

How many reps are you doing? What else do you do that involves the
back?

> Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and don't
> mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not causing
> harm.

You'd be better off doing regular deadlifts. Better body positioning.
But if your regular deadlift end up getting ugly and looking similar to
SLDLs then forget it. At least keep your back straight on SLDLs.

Jeff Finlayson wrote:
> natespamacct wrote:
>
> > I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
> > that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast forward
> > to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
> > bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.
> >
> > I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
> > would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in my
> > lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
> > It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
> > that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.
>
> How many reps are you doing? What else do you do that involves the
> back?

about 8, 3-4 sets. Nothing else that's hitting lower back like that.


>
> > Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and don't
> > mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not causing
> > harm.
>
> You'd be better off doing regular deadlifts. Better body positioning.
> But if your regular deadlift end up getting ugly and looking similar to
> SLDLs then forget it. At least keep your back straight on SLDLs.

I've been avoiding regular deadlifts because of the length of my legs
(i'm 6'7"), when i'm bending at the knees like that, the weight has to
get pretty far away from my body to clear kneecaps and feels like those
are putting ALOT more stress on my lower back.

It's starting to sound like that is NOT a normal feeling that people
get that haven't had back problems in the past... ???

Jeff Finlayson wrote:
> natespamacct wrote:
>
> > I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
> > that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast forward
> > to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
> > bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.
> >
> > I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
> > would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in my
> > lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
> > It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
> > that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.
>
> How many reps are you doing? What else do you do that involves the
> back?

about 8, 3-4 sets. Nothing else that's hitting lower back like that.


>
> > Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and don't
> > mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not causing
> > harm.
>
> You'd be better off doing regular deadlifts. Better body positioning.
> But if your regular deadlift end up getting ugly and looking similar to
> SLDLs then forget it. At least keep your back straight on SLDLs.

I've been avoiding regular deadlifts because of the length of my legs
(i'm 6'7"), when i'm bending at the knees like that, the weight has to
get pretty far away from my body to clear kneecaps and feels like those
are putting ALOT more stress on my lower back.

It's starting to sound like that is NOT a normal feeling that people
get that haven't had back problems in the past... ???

<natespamacct@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1123080400.980684.167740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jeff Finlayson wrote:
>> natespamacct wrote:
>>
>> > I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
>> > that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast
>> > forward
>> > to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
>> > bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.
>> >
>> > I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
>> > would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in
>> > my
>> > lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
>> > It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
>> > that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.
>>
>> How many reps are you doing? What else do you do that involves the
>> back?
>
> about 8, 3-4 sets. Nothing else that's hitting lower back like that.
>
>
>>
>> > Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and
>> > don't
>> > mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not
>> > causing
>> > harm.
>>
>> You'd be better off doing regular deadlifts. Better body
>> positioning.
>> But if your regular deadlift end up getting ugly and looking similar
>> to
>> SLDLs then forget it. At least keep your back straight on SLDLs.
>
> I've been avoiding regular deadlifts because of the length of my legs
> (i'm 6'7"), when i'm bending at the knees like that, the weight has to
> get pretty far away from my body to clear kneecaps and feels like
> those
> are putting ALOT more stress on my lower back.
>
> It's starting to sound like that is NOT a normal feeling that people
> get that haven't had back problems in the past... ???

How far away the weight is from your body is related to many things,
among them hamstring flexibility. See, e.g.,
http://www.kbnj.com/deadlift_345.rm - that's me, the bar is right next
to my shins, my shins stay vertical, and the bar doesn't hit my shins.
Of course, I'm almost a foot shorter than you, but the reason I get away
with this when many guys with my build can't is that my hamstrings are
able to stretch out a lot as I bend down to get the bar.

This may or may not be your issue - as they say, your mileage may vary,
but I wanted to mention it just in case it is. There are many styles of
deadlifting and most people drop their hips much more than I do, but
good hamstring flexibility is a real asset when it comes to deadlifting
(and when it comes to squatting as well) - it lets you keep your back in
a better place, all other things being equal.

Hope that's of some help to you.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

<natespamacct@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1123080400.980684.167740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jeff Finlayson wrote:
>> natespamacct wrote:
>>
>> > I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
>> > that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast
>> > forward
>> > to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
>> > bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.
>> >
>> > I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
>> > would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in
>> > my
>> > lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
>> > It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
>> > that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.
>>
>> How many reps are you doing? What else do you do that involves the
>> back?
>
> about 8, 3-4 sets. Nothing else that's hitting lower back like that.
>
>
>>
>> > Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and
>> > don't
>> > mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not
>> > causing
>> > harm.
>>
>> You'd be better off doing regular deadlifts. Better body
>> positioning.
>> But if your regular deadlift end up getting ugly and looking similar
>> to
>> SLDLs then forget it. At least keep your back straight on SLDLs.
>
> I've been avoiding regular deadlifts because of the length of my legs
> (i'm 6'7"), when i'm bending at the knees like that, the weight has to
> get pretty far away from my body to clear kneecaps and feels like
> those
> are putting ALOT more stress on my lower back.
>
> It's starting to sound like that is NOT a normal feeling that people
> get that haven't had back problems in the past... ???

How far away the weight is from your body is related to many things,
among them hamstring flexibility. See, e.g.,
http://www.kbnj.com/deadlift_345.rm - that's me, the bar is right next
to my shins, my shins stay vertical, and the bar doesn't hit my shins.
Of course, I'm almost a foot shorter than you, but the reason I get away
with this when many guys with my build can't is that my hamstrings are
able to stretch out a lot as I bend down to get the bar.

This may or may not be your issue - as they say, your mileage may vary,
but I wanted to mention it just in case it is. There are many styles of
deadlifting and most people drop their hips much more than I do, but
good hamstring flexibility is a real asset when it comes to deadlifting
(and when it comes to squatting as well) - it lets you keep your back in
a better place, all other things being equal.

Hope that's of some help to you.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

SLDL is not for everyone.

I gave up it because my lower back was stiff and pain all day long after
doing it. I switched to regular deadlift for about 6 month and recently I
picked up SLDL. This time I can do much more weight without feeling pain.

-fj

<natespamacct@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1123006701.344569.197620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>I hurt my back several years ago while moving(not an accute injury)
> that for the next year or so it would be pretty painfull. Fast forward
> to now... it doesn't really hurt any other time then if i'm working
> bent over for awhile, i'll notice a slight ache.
>
> I'm adding SLDL's into my routine and after I do them I feel what i
> would consider almost a very extreme fatigue(bordering on ache) in my
> lower back, almost to where i need to sit down to relieve pressure.
> It's hard to put into words. But anyways, it's not quite a fatigue
> that I feel in other muscles after a workout,hence the question.
>
> Bottom line is, i'm doing them to strengthen my lower back, and don't
> mind this fatigue, as long as it's actually just that, and not causing
> harm.
>
> I never did them before i injured my back,is this similar feeling that
> people that do this excercise get that never had a back injury?
>

"fj" <fj@notSpam.com> wrote in message news:dcrinf$k4r$1@gist.usc.edu...
> SLDL is not for everyone.
>
> I gave up it because my lower back was stiff and pain all day long after
> doing it. I switched to regular deadlift for about 6 month and recently I
> picked up SLDL. This time I can do much more weight without feeling pain.
>
> -fj
>
>

So then SLDL really IS for everyone?
(personally, I love them).
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