MOAB explodes! - Page 2

Critic wrote:

>>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
>>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and launch a nuclear counter-attack?
>>
>
>
> Why, we all know that Saddam has no nukes. After all, he said so.

That and the fact that the UN have shown the US / UK 'intelligence' about Iraq trying to purchase
nuclear was fabricated.

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I wasn't referring particularly to Iraq....just an observation in general.

> The shrapnel is only the casing of the bomb itself. The real damage is created by the blast wave.
> The 12k of explosives inside are a ammonium nitrate gel, aluminum powder, and polystyrene that
> combust above ground to clear areas for landing zones for helicopters. These are not *intended*
for
> anti-personnel except in the case of psychological warfare and we just
scare
> the bejeesus out of the enemy and hope it takes away their will to fight. BTW, the "daisy cutter"
> itself is the 38" fuse on the nose of the BLU-82 that causes it to explode above the ground as not
> to create a crater. For what it's worth, I'd rather take a shot from one of these than a .50 cal
any
> day.

It's a good thing the Iraqis don't have internet access since CNN is plastering the fact the bomb is
relatively harmless and meant to intimidate more than do any real damage.

D'OH!

I love it!

One MOAB on every block of Bagdad would just about do the trick.

Peace through superior firepower AND better mountainbikes.

"L Hays" <lhays@yourclotheskc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Sean S" <sean3667@aol.combatspam> wrote in message
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> > >From: "Lightweight" support@microsoft.com
>
> > >As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is this
> the
> > >type of bomb that is similar in damage to one big ass frag grenade? I remember hearing
> > >something about the daisy cutters blowing shrapnel over large areas, a hideous weapon.
> >
> > I'd have to double check, but I believe the newer bomb relies more on the
> force
> > of the initial concussion for the bulk of its damage...
>
> The new bomb is the same as the old bomb.

The new bomb is different in its size and guidance system. That said, it is similar in that it is a
designed to create a lateral blast with ~1,000 psi overpressure developed near ground zero. It is
also similar since it is a GSX slurry device and not an FAE.

"Reco Diver" <reco_diver@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "L Hays" <lhays@yourclotheskc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > "Sean S" <sean3667@aol.combatspam> wrote in message
> > news:20030310222358.26309.00000212@mb-mu.aol.com...
> > > >From: "Lightweight" support@microsoft.com
> >
> > > >As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is
this
> > the
> > > >type of bomb that is similar in damage to one big ass frag grenade?
I
> > > >remember hearing something about the daisy cutters blowing shrapnel
over
> > > >large areas, a hideous weapon.
> > >
> > > I'd have to double check, but I believe the newer bomb relies more on
the
> > force
> > > of the initial concussion for the bulk of its damage...
> >
> > The new bomb is the same as the old bomb.
>
> The new bomb is different in its size and guidance system. That said, it is similar in that it is
> a designed to create a lateral blast with ~1,000 psi overpressure developed near ground zero. It
> is also similar since it is a GSX slurry device and not an FAE.

BLU-82 is not a fuel air explosive, it also uses a slurry mix. It's contents are contained until the
charge detonates the explosives.

The difference? It has more explosives/heavier and is somewhat smart (see JDAM) Not entirely a smart
bomb per se since it cannot steer away or acquire a new target but uses satellites to help guide
it's gravity fed and not rocket propelled fall.

Lance

"Lightweight" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<v6qkcv7amd82c6@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Sean S" <sean3667@aol.combatspam> wrote in message
> news:20030310192140.26274.00000247@mb-mu.aol.com...
> > >From: scribe2b@aol.com (Scribe2b)
>
> > >The MOAB's massive explosive punch, sources say, is similar to a small nuclear weapon.
> >
> > According to military sources, the MOAB also produces a mushroom cloud. Between it, and the
> > initial shock wave from the explosion, the weapon
> holds
> > significant psychological warfare impact...
>
> As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is this the type of bomb that is
> similar in damage to one big ass frag grenade?

BLU-82's and the newer MOAB are lateral blast/air burst weapons. Of course there will be some casing
fragments, but the power of the weapon is overpressure.

> I remember hearing something about the daisy cutters blowing shrapnel over large areas, a
> hideous weapon.

Any device as large as a BLU-82 or larger is going to throw a lot of fragments. There really is no
such thing as a pretty bomb. If you think MOAB and BLU 82's are ugly, try a CBU-75 Sadeye equipped
with BLU-26 submunition.

The CBU-75 Sadeye is a cluster bomb unit that can be filled with 1,800 one pound bomblets, such as
the BLU-26. The BLU-26, in turn,is a cast steel shell with aerodynamic vanes and ~.7 pound of TNT in
which 600 razor-sharp steel shards are imbedded. The BLU-26 can be equipped to explode upon impact,
to explode several yards above ground, or to explode some time after landing. Anything with
flechettes is ugly.

> I also thought they were outlawed in a treaty??

Chemical weapons where banned, but many countries have worked with/ developed them, and most train
for there use.

<snip>

Reco

"bomba" <myarse247@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E6D9B64.4010809@hotmail.com...
> Critic wrote:
>
> >>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
> >>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and launch a nuclear counter-attack?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Why, we all know that Saddam has no nukes. After all, he said so.
>
> That and the fact that the UN have shown the US / UK 'intelligence' about Iraq trying to purchase
> nuclear was fabricated.

I'm sure if he had nukes then we'd have our pink copy of the invoice around here somewhere. Maybe
the warranty card or something.

Andy Chequer.

Andy Chequer <andy@(youdontwantthisbitinit)thisisasparagus.com> wrote in message
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>
> "bomba" <myarse247@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3E6D9B64.4010809@hotmail.com...
> > Critic wrote:
> >
> > >>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
> > >>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and
launch
> > >>a nuclear counter-attack?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Why, we all know that Saddam has no nukes. After all, he said so.
> >
> > That and the fact that the UN have shown the US / UK 'intelligence' about Iraq trying to
> > purchase nuclear was fabricated.
>
> I'm sure if he had nukes then we'd have our pink copy of the invoice
around
> here somewhere. Maybe the warranty card or something.

Heheheheh - so funny, yet so sad......

Shaun aRe - is it 'our' turn to be in the right again?!?

bomba <myarse247@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3E6D9929.5070000@hotmail.com>...
> Pete wrote:
>
> >>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
> >>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and launch a nuclear counter-attack?
> >
> >
> > Being in the Iraqi military != uneducated. The military leaders know what is and what is not a
> > nucelear explosion.
>
> Besides, it's irrelevent in the case of Iraq. They don't have nuclear capabilities and the stories
> of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by US and UK intelligence.

Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at the
time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

Tom

Tom Bishop <Wellpreparedzenmaster@msn.com> wrote in message
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> bomba <myarse247@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Pete wrote:
> >
> > >>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
> > >>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and
launch
> > >>a nuclear counter-attack?
> > >
> > >
> > > Being in the Iraqi military != uneducated. The military leaders know
what is
> > > and what is not a nucelear explosion.
> >
> > Besides, it's irrelevent in the case of Iraq. They don't have nuclear capabilities and the
> > stories of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by US and UK intelligence.
>
>
> Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at
> the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.

Shaun aRe - I heard it on the telly.

Shaun Rimmer wrote:
> Tom Bishop <Wellpreparedzenmaster@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
>>bomba <myarse247@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:<3E6D9929.5070000@hotmail.com>...
>
>>>Pete wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
>>>>>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and
>>>>
> launch
>
>>>>>a nuclear counter-attack?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Being in the Iraqi military != uneducated. The military leaders know
>>>
> what is
>
>>>>and what is not a nucelear explosion.
>>>
>>>Besides, it's irrelevent in the case of Iraq. They don't have nuclear capabilities and the
>>>stories of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by US and UK intelligence.
>>
>>
>>Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at
>>the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.
>
>
> He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.

Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes and
bonds in his possession.

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> "Reco Diver" <reco_diver@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "L Hays" <lhays@yourclotheskc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Sean S" <sean3667@aol.combatspam> wrote in message
> > > news:20030310222358.26309.00000212@mb-mu.aol.com...
> > > > >From: "Lightweight" support@microsoft.com
>
> > > > >As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is
> this the
> > > > >type of bomb that is similar in damage to one big ass frag grenade?
> I
> > > > >remember hearing something about the daisy cutters blowing shrapnel
> over
> > > > >large areas, a hideous weapon.
> > > >
> > > > I'd have to double check, but I believe the newer bomb relies more on
> the force
> > > > of the initial concussion for the bulk of its damage...
> > >
> > > The new bomb is the same as the old bomb.
> >
> > The new bomb is different in its size and guidance system. That said, it is similar in that it
> > is a designed to create a lateral blast with ~1,000 psi overpressure developed near ground zero.
> > It is also similar since it is a GSX slurry device and not an FAE.
>
> BLU-82 is not a fuel air explosive, it also uses a slurry mix. It's contents are contained until
> the charge detonates the explosives.

Glad we both know our energetic materials. Like I said, the MOAB is "similar since it is a GSX
slurry device and not an FAE."

>
> The difference? It has more explosives/heavier and is somewhat smart (see JDAM) Not entirely a
> smart bomb per se since it cannot steer away or acquire a new target but uses satellites to help
> guide it's gravity fed and not rocket propelled fall.

Good to know that we both know our weapon quidance and delivery systems. I left it at "The new bomb
is different in its size and guidance system."

All of that being said, it looks like yesterdays test was "successful." Not that I saw it ... it's
mainly Areojet testing around these parts.

Reco

John G:

>
> Shaun Rimmer wrote:

> > Tom Bishop;

> >>Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at
> >>the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.
> >
> >
> > He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.
>
> Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
> Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes
> and bonds in his possession.

Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

Shaun aRe - It's a conspiralcy!

Shaun Rimmer wrote:

>>Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
>>Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes
>>and bonds in his possession.
>
>
> Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

He was a cop in Miami Vice.

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