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Hi,

I recently switched to training with power (only indoors for the moment) and I have it difficult to plan my training

I have 5 training days/ week .
Do I look at TSS per week to build up the training load ? I have 550 TSS this week but feel (very) tired. I used to train on HR and although my HR averages are not that different to previous training I definitely feel the difference in training load hence the feeling of overdoing myself a little bit this week ? I'm not looking for a magic plan that gives me a peak performance at a certain date

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How many hours do you have available for training on each of the 5 days? Are your two non-training days contiguous?
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How many hours do you have available for training on each of the 5 days? Are your two non-training days contiguous?
Monday : 1 - 1,5 hour
T : rest
W : unlimited time
T : 1 - 1,5
F : rest
S : unlimited
S : unlimited
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Well, you certainly have enough available training time to increase your sustainable power substantially. FWIW, I'll share with you how I view the allocation of training time and the management of total training stress. I take a simplistic view that the way to increase sustainable power is with bona fide high-intensity L4-L7 efforts (Andy Coggan's schema). Every ride has a goal for total minutes by level (L4-L7). I group all other time in the saddle (L1-L3) as "other." I never have any specific goals for time by level for levels L1-L3. Nonetheless, with warmup, cooldown and recovery durations, my L1-L3 time makes up ~50% of my total time in the saddle. It's just the way it works out. If I had your schedule, I think I would lay out my week about as follows (weekday rides on the trainer).
M: 3x20s @ 100%FT
W: 4x20s @ 100%FT
Th: 5x5s @ 120%FT + 4x3s @ 121+%FT
Sa: 3hr ride with min 60min L4, 15min L5, 15min L6
Su: Same
That's almost 6 hrs/wk of L4-L6 time. That's a pretty intense week, and you might not be able to handle the total training stress immediately. We're all different in how we respond to high loads of training stress. I thrive on it, but you may need to work up to it.

The better option: get a coach and have him develop a weekly training plan, modified each week based on your goals, your progress and how you respond to training stress.
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I'm not looking for a magic plan that gives me a peak performance at a certain date
So what are you trying to achieve?

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Do I look at TSS per week to build up the training load ? I have 550 TSS this week but feel (very) tired
Yes but only in context of overall training and the short/long term training loads/stresses. Solid training typically averages 100-150 TSS/day over the course of a season. If you are struggling to attain that level it may be a few things. It may take a season or two to get used to the workload. Or your FTP is set too high and you are not "scoring" higher TSS as a result. Or you simply don't have the hours available.

But overall, seeing TSS increase each week for a few weeks then drop right down during a recovery week would be a pretty typical pattern. Of course as RD implies, the specificity of how you attain those TSS points is also important and will depend a lot on what you are trying to achieve.

I remember when I did the transfer from HRM to power. I realised very quickly how slack many of my "training" sessions actually were. So be a little patient, it might simply be that you are not used to the workload yet.
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what is your avg weekly TSS?



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Well, you certainly have enough available training time to increase your sustainable power substantially. FWIW, I'll share with you how I view the allocation of training time and the management of total training stress. I take a simplistic view that the way to increase sustainable power is with bona fide high-intensity L4-L7 efforts (Andy Coggan's schema). Every ride has a goal for total minutes by level (L4-L7). I group all other time in the saddle (L1-L3) as "other." I never have any specific goals for time by level for levels L1-L3. Nonetheless, with warmup, cooldown and recovery durations, my L1-L3 time makes up ~50% of my total time in the saddle. It's just the way it works out. If I had your schedule, I think I would lay out my week about as follows (weekday rides on the trainer).
M: 3x20s @ 100%FT
W: 4x20s @ 100%FT
Th: 5x5s @ 120%FT + 4x3s @ 121+%FT
Sa: 3hr ride with min 60min L4, 15min L5, 15min L6
Su: Same
That's almost 6 hrs/wk of L4-L6 time. That's a pretty intense week, and you might not be able to handle the total training stress immediately. We're all different in how we respond to high loads of training stress. I thrive on it, but you may need to work up to it.

The better option: get a coach and have him develop a weekly training plan, modified each week based on your goals, your progress and how you respond to training stress.
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what is your avg weekly TSS?
~1000 points
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M: 3x20s @ 100%FT
W: 4x20s @ 100%FT
Th: 5x5s @ 120%FT + 4x3s @ 121+%FT
Sa: 3hr ride with min 60min L4, 15min L5, 15min L6
Su: Same
Hey RD, there's no way I could do 4x20s at 100% especially in the middle of a tough week. That's 80 minutes. Isnt FT effectively one's 60 minutes power? Am I missing something here or am I just wimpy. (Well I know I'm that)
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Hey RD, there's no way I could do 4x20s at 100% especially in the middle of a tough week. That's 80 minutes. Isnt FT effectively one's 60 minutes power? Am I missing something here or am I just wimpy. (Well I know I'm that)
I don't think i could complete any of those sessions

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RD's workouts do seem quite bad ass. I'm curious as to how much recovery there is between the 4x20s - enough to make it a 4 hour workout? lol! Think that's about the only way I could get through them...
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Hey RD, there's no way I could do 4x20s at 100% especially in the middle of a tough week. That's 80 minutes. Isnt FT effectively one's 60 minutes power? Am I missing something here or am I just wimpy. (Well I know I'm that)
Yes, FT is one's 60min max power (by definition). But, I'm talking about 20min efforts with a recovery duration between each effort. Each 20min effort is actually only ~92% of my max power (for 20mins). When I do 2x20s @ 100%FT, I usually keep the recovery duration to 5mins (for the simple reason that I don't need more recovery if I have a good handle on FT and assuming I don't have too much residual fatigue). But, if I do more than 2x20 @ 100%FT, I don't worry about the length of the recovery durations. I'll take 10 or even 15mins between the efforts, whatever I feel I need. If I am riding them on a trainer, I sometimes get off the bike and rest completely between efforts, get a cup of coffee and check my email. We often talk about high-intensity efforts as a set, with equal emphasis on the recovery duration. But, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the physiological adaptation benefit is the high-intensity effort, not the recovery duration. I try to keep my workouts reasonably efficient (ratio of L4-L7 time to total time) because I, like everybody else, have limited time for training. But, even with a 10min recovery duration between each 20min effort, it's still a pretty good ratio (67%). I'm happy when my efficiency ratio is 50% or greater.
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A lot of it is dependent on the relationship of your physiological strengths/weaknesses. 5x5's at 120% of FT would be impossible for many-one only needs to look to the Power Profile chart, where we see that an athlete whose 5-min and FT are on the same row will have a 5-min MAX of 120% of their FT. No way could they do 5 at that level. Personally, I couldn't even do 1!

I'd love to hear from the experts here (Ric, Andy) but lately I've been adopting a less-interval based approach to improving sustainable power and have been doing a lot of volume and lots of tempo work. Plenty of unstructured threshold work as well. And then 1 (occasionally 2) specific l4 sessions. If I have a tt coming up, I do them on the tt bike, if I have a climbing race, I try to incorporate as much climbing as I can.
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A lot of it is dependent on the relationship of your physiological strengths/weaknesses. 5x5's at 120% of FT would be impossible for many-one only needs to look to the Power Profile chart, where we see that an athlete whose 5-min and FT are on the same row will have a 5-min MAX of 120% of their FT. No way could they do 5 at that level. Personally, I couldn't even do 1!
True, but one could simply do a shorter duration at 120%FT. There's nothing magic about 120%FT or the 5min duration. The goal is to induce VO2MAX adaptation. I basically ride almost all of my high-intensity efforts >30secs at ~90% of my MP for that duration. Because I have a relatively high AWC, it poses no problem (for me) to ride 5min durations at 120%FT, but if I had a flatter MP/duration curve I would simply reduce the duration of each effort and increase the number of efforts.
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I think RDO is highly unusual in having ~1000 TSS weeks on a regular basis, and defnitely wouldn't recommend the OP aim for that. In addition, a week with that much intensity will burn out most riders extremely quickly.

The only time I've seen >900 TSS weeks is when I need to re-adjust my FT and even then those weeks felt _huge_ and had >16 hrs of riding. I'd never try consecutive weeks with a similar load. Most people, myself included, seem to fall somewhere between 600-800 TSS/wk.
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I think RDO is highly unusual in having ~1000 TSS weeks on a regular basis, and defnitely wouldn't recommend the OP aim for that. In addition, a week with that much intensity will burn out most riders extremely quickly.
Although I don't have access to a large database, I agree with this statement. While I think there are a number of serious cyclists who ride ~15 hrs/wk, I think I probably have (by design) a higher ratio of L4-L7 time to total time (and, therefore, IF). I think the typical 600-700 TSS points results from ~10 hrs/wk on the bike. But, I imagine the 10 hrs/wk is more a function of their available time than it is a function of their sustainable training stress.

I would definitely advise anyone not used to such training stress to step up their volume very gradually and pay close attention to how their body responds to the additional stress.
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