1 minute power and Vo2max - Page 2

Originally Posted by frost

Doesn't that apply to everything ?

Originally Posted by 11ring

6) if you could somehow separate out the anaerobic (not equal to 1min power) and aerobic (not equal to VO2max or 5min power) contribution to your power over 1min you might be able to add them together, but i'm not sure how one would do that...

as i said it's hard to answer your question because you seem to not have a good grasp of the concepts in your hypothesis...

Okay, I have garbled 5 min and Vo2max power. This is because I have very good reason to believe that my (in comparison to other piss-weak power outputs) relatively high 5 min power is from a high pVo2max/ P(lactic threshold) ratio, as opposed to a high AWC. This is partly a guess from a low 1 min/5 min ratio and high 5 min/60 min ratio, and partly from direct medical testing.

To clarify, the what I am trying to do is exactly what you describe in your point 6 above. So to rephrase the question:

If 5 minute power is high, or increases due to an increase in the aerobic component,(as in through training specifically designed to train aerobic capacity or V02max, and as opposed to an increase in anaerobic capacity) will this mean that the aerobic component of the 1 minute power will be high, or grow. If so, by how much ?

Or to state it in different terms, is it possible to significantly increase 1 minute power independently of improvements in AWC ( i.e through a significant increase in the aerobic component of 1 min power)?

Originally Posted by doctorSpoc

yes and no, and again it a matter of degree...

VO2max is dictated mostly by physical attributes i.e. size of heart, surface area of lungs, diameter of aorta etc.. most of these things that most affect VO2max are not going to change at all from training... where as something like sustainable power which is dependent partially dependent on VO2max but also very much dependent on metabolic capacity etc.. is very trainable month to month and year over year... you see a guy like former world TT champ Abraham Olano who has a very low VO2max by pro standards having very high sustainable power... so VO2max isn't the end all and be all it's made out to be..

Originally Posted by frost

Not trying to start an argument here but the determinants and VO2Max respond to training. Heart (especially the left ventricular) grows (both dilatation and wall hypertrophy), blood volume (and total hemoglobin volume) increase very quickly after starting training. These are early adaptations and stall also very early meaning that a trained athlete sees very little improvement but it is wrong to say that VO2max does not respond to training.

In addition I don't think that the magnitude of change or time span for improvements means that it is more or less determined by genetics than say eg. (infamous) efficiency or even LT. (Olano must have - in addition to high LT - had phenomenal efficiency)

But at the end of the day you are right that VO2max isn't the end all and be all it's made out to be..

Originally Posted by doctorSpoc

except for the LT comments I pretty much agree with what you've written (LT is a myth..just doesn't exist, can't exist). why I mention no year over year change etc. trained athelete does 3-4 weeks with some VO2max training and you max out your VO2max... small but significant addapation very, very quickly.

Originally Posted by 11ring

Very simple question- to what extent is 1 minute power affected by V02max power, if at all.

Originally Posted by 11ring

I am asking this because I have a very inverted V shaped power curve, and wondering if any of my 5 minute power can or does translate into a 'base' for 1 minute efforts.

Obviously I already plan on doing shorter intervals- and I would infer from the large ratio of 1 minute to 5 minute power that the larger part of 1 minute power is actually anaerobic, and thus largely independent of V02 max.

Any thoughts ?

Originally Posted by Fightin Boba

Maybe not so simple after all.


Just to clarify: you mean one minute maximal power in isolation as a free-standing effort, correct? You do not mean maximal one minute power in the context of some larger effort, such as a 60minute criterium?