Go Back   Cycling Forums » Bikes » Professional Cycling
Professional Cycling This is the place to bring all your Giro, Vuelta a España and Tour de France chat. If you follow the the Classics and other professional bike races post here.













USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-18.-2004
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Anchorage, Alaska, USA
Posts: 1,669
Rep Power: 8
gntlmn is on a distinguished road
Default USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

I saw Lance Armstrong talking in regard to their sponsor, AMD, about how much more advanced telecommunications is now than it was even in the time of Lemond, and he commented that the best technological improvement for training in the last 10 years is the power meter. Then it showed Bruyneel with a device in his hand, and they said he can stay in contact not only with his team members when they work out but with riders anywhere in the world.

I'm guessing that Johann can watch a rider's workout in real time on display with readouts from various devices. The "dashboard" on these training bikes they use is very sophisticated and elaborate. I'm wondering if some of this feedback is how they became very interested in Ivan Basso last winter. Lance says USPS tried to recruit him when Heras defected, but they were unable to uproot him from his other plans. Now he is riding extremely well in the Tour. I wonder if they had more than race results to go by. Like for example, I wonder if they looked at his power meter and heart rate monitor readings while he trained, comparing this with his recovery times using more readings. It would seem to be a lot more to go by than a rider's confidence level and how well he can finesse someone on the telephone.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-18.-2004
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,430
Rep Power: 9
musette is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

For many of LA's training rides, LA will gather various data using monitoring machines and forward the data to Chris Carmichael, who then analyzes them. Carmichael has a database of how effective LA is under various conditions, based on the data. This is described in LA's book.
Reply With Quote


  #3  
Old 07-18.-2004
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Anchorage, Alaska, USA
Posts: 1,669
Rep Power: 8
gntlmn is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by musette
For many of LA's training rides, LA will gather various data using monitoring machines and forward the data to Chris Carmichael, who then analyzes them. Carmichael has a database of how effective LA is under various conditions, based on the data. This is described in LA's book.
It must be in "Every Second Counts". I didn't read that one. I read "It's Not About the Bike".
Reply With Quote


  #4  
Old 07-19.-2004
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 81
Rep Power: 6
ewitz
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gntlmn
I saw Lance Armstrong talking in regard to their sponsor, AMD, about how much more advanced telecommunications is now than it was even in the time of Lemond, and he commented that the best technological improvement for training in the last 10 years is the power meter. Then it showed Bruyneel with a device in his hand, and they said he can stay in contact not only with his team members when they work out but with riders anywhere in the world.

I'm guessing that Johann can watch a rider's workout in real time on display with readouts from various devices. The "dashboard" on these training bikes they use is very sophisticated and elaborate. I'm wondering if some of this feedback is how they became very interested in Ivan Basso last winter. Lance says USPS tried to recruit him when Heras defected, but they were unable to uproot him from his other plans. Now he is riding extremely well in the Tour. I wonder if they had more than race results to go by. Like for example, I wonder if they looked at his power meter and heart rate monitor readings while he trained, comparing this with his recovery times using more readings. It would seem to be a lot more to go by than a rider's confidence level and how well he can finesse someone on the telephone.

That device is called a cell phone. He punches in a secret sequence of numbers on a keypad and a similiar device held by the rider makes an electronic sounding noise or vibrates. He is then able to communicate.

I'm sure that Basso just had his agent send over proprietary data to his rival in the hopes of getting a spot on the squad. How ignorant. If they want a top rider like Basso or Azevedo they take him based on his past performance and by scouting reports from the riders on the team.
Reply With Quote


  #5  
Old 07-19.-2004
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Anchorage, Alaska, USA
Posts: 1,669
Rep Power: 8
gntlmn is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitz
That device is called a cell phone. He punches in a secret sequence of numbers on a keypad and a similiar device held by the rider makes an electronic sounding noise or vibrates. He is then able to communicate.

I'm sure that Basso just had his agent send over proprietary data to his rival in the hopes of getting a spot on the squad. How ignorant. If they want a top rider like Basso or Azevedo they take him based on his past performance and by scouting reports from the riders on the team.
So you're saying that Bruyneel is not trying to recruit other athletes using workout readings. You're saying he is merely coaching them?
Reply With Quote


  #6  
Old 07-19.-2004
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 81
Rep Power: 6
ewitz
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gntlmn
So you're saying that Bruyneel is not trying to recruit other athletes using workout readings. You're saying he is merely coaching them?
I am saying that he does not have access to that information.
Reply With Quote


  #7  
Old 07-19.-2004
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Anchorage, Alaska, USA
Posts: 1,669
Rep Power: 8
gntlmn is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitz
I am saying that he does not have access to that information.
Well, that may be true. It wouldn't be the first time that OLN didn't get the story straight.

You have to admit, however, that the technology is there if a rider felt confident enough to let Bruyneel in on how he's doing. He wouldn't have to let his team managers know what he's doing. Such tactics could easily backfire on the rider, jeopardizing his future.
Reply With Quote


  #8  
Old 10-02.-2008
whiteboytrash's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,396
Rep Power: 10
whiteboytrash is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gntlmn
Well, that may be true. It wouldn't be the first time that OLN didn't get the story straight.

You have to admit, however, that the technology is there if a rider felt confident enough to let Bruyneel in on how he's doing. He wouldn't have to let his team managers know what he's doing. Such tactics could easily backfire on the rider, jeopardizing his future.
Hey guys great thread !
Reply With Quote


  #9  
Old 10-03.-2008
Tim Lamkin's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Third Rock
Posts: 644
Rep Power: 5
Tim Lamkin is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Yea from 04
__________________
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.
Reply With Quote


  #10  
Old 10-03.-2008
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 110
Rep Power: 2
Ava Marie is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Musette thinking that Fat Chris is Lance's coach....that is classic
Reply With Quote


  #11  
Old 10-03.-2008
earth_dweller's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,814
Rep Power: 5
earth_dweller is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Marie
Musette thinking that Fat Chris is Lance's coach....that is classic
lol - she did have all his books memorized.
Reply With Quote


  #12  
Old 10-04.-2008
poulidor's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,423
Rep Power: 5
poulidor is on a distinguished road
Default Re: USPS: Recruiting With Power Meter Readings?

LA's book(s?) is/are the new Graal and the heart of new religions. LA came out of the death after having terraced cancer, the devil of our current age. Of course only for unbrained people.
__________________
6 +2 (according Ashenden) samples with EPO should have banned Lance Armstrong to start next TDF !

Last edited by poulidor; 10-04.-2008 at 05:07 AM.
Reply With Quote


Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
meter, power, readings, recruiting, usps

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:51 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin Copyright © 2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright © 2001 - 2009 cyclingforums.com

Translations (powered by Google):
Bulgarian Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Finnish French German Italian Japanese Korean Norwegian Polish Portuguese Spanish Swedish