Zabriskie is a disgrace to Americans in the international peleton - Page 2

musette · #16 06-05.-2005

Each poster's words (and, in your case, inappropriate language) speak to who the poster is, more than who the people the poster is trying to target are.

You know your proposition that started this thread got completely destroyed by my quotes, and you are trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to attack me in sulking about how badly you have been out-gunned in arguments in this thread.

It should be noted that, not only is sexual orientation not an appropriate way to attack a person (since everybody is entitled to one's sexual orientation, which is entirely legitimate), but also you are soooo wrong. Everybody uses smiley faces. But also, I am a woman and you were assuming (wrongly, obviously) I was a man. Hah! Second argument of yours badly defeated in this thread.

Banesto2007 · #17 06-05.-2005

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Originally Posted by musette

Each poster's words (and, in your case, inappropriate language) speak to who the poster is, more than who the people the poster is trying to target are.

You know your proposition that started this thread got completely destroyed by my quotes, and you are trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to attack me in sulking about how badly you have been out-gunned in arguments in this thread.

It should be noted that, not only is sexual orientation not an appropriate way to attack a person (since everybody is entitled to one's sexual orientation, which is entirely legitimate), but also you are soooo wrong. Everybody uses smiley faces. But also, I am a woman and you were assuming (wrongly, obviously) I was a man. Hah! Second argument of yours badly defeated in this thread.

Go Away woman, know your role. A real woman wouldnt pretend to be a man instead of shopping and doing what real women do. How can you speak about which you no nothing about. I figured you were some lowly cat racer or fan. You need to realize that everything you read about the sport is Anglocentric, thats why youre clueless. Youre the one who should "know better". That was such a strange statement that you made saying "you(I) should know better than to question my(your) quote". Sorry that you have penis envy or whatever.

Mansmind · #18 06-05.-2005

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Originally Posted by Banesto2007

Go Away woman, know your role. A real woman wouldnt pretend to be a man instead of shopping and doing what real women do. How can you speak about which you no nothing about. I figured you were some lowly cat racer or fan. You need to realize that everything you read about the sport is Anglocentric, thats why youre clueless. Youre the one who should "know better". That was such a strange statement that you made saying "you(I) should know better than to question my(your) quote". Sorry that you have penis envy or whatever.

You're absolutely ridiculous, I'm always somewhat amazed at an example of how low humanity can sometimes be.

Lonnie Utah · #19 06-05.-2005

Damn. Did Banesto2007 spill his milk this AM or did somebody pee in his corn flakes?

You can ***** and wine all you want, but unless you're a member of CSC, I don't really see what your complaining about. Unless that is, your just want Americans to quit racing in Europe. That's a fair opinion, but don't hide your predjuices in a post about 1 guy...

Three words. Get over it.

L

EoinC · #20 06-05.-2005

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Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah

...but unless you're a member of CSC, I don't really see what your complaining about.

Unfortunately that is unlikely to happen as our World-beating xenophobic friend has declared "Id never ever ride on a team with Zabriskie". I'm sure that Mr Riis, CSC and the greater cycling community were devastated by this news, but we must respect a person of principles, especially when the principles are as lofty as those espoused by our knowledgeable companion.

EoinC · #21 06-06.-2005

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Originally Posted by Banesto2007

Go Away woman, know your role.

This is a great day for science. We have uncovered a direct link to the Caveman. Tell us Banesto2007, in words of your own making, do you walk upright, or is there a little knuckle-dragging involved?
For the interest of the Board, I am neither Female nor American. I'm only here to marvel at the inconsistency of evolution.

wolfix · #22 06-06.-2005

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Originally Posted by Banesto2007

. Enough said. Its a Latin sport with Latin ethics. Yall are outsiders. s

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LIEGE-B-L (which might as well be French), THE SPORT IS IN FRANCE, ITALY, AND SPAIN.

Interesting ..... It's a Latin sport.... Let's see..... Tour de France Greatest Race [non-Latin ] .............. Lance Armstrong , Greatest Tour de France rider ever.{non-Latin } ............ Eddy , Greatest Racer ever. {non-Latin} ....... It's seems to me, that the Latins are only a part of cycling....

MJtje · #23 06-06.-2005

LOL........WTF is youre problem. (youre forum is RBR thrust me you can swear as much as you like there!).

1) And as Dutch guy I need to respond. Thrust me WE have more history in Tour de France and classics then the spanish!

2) And about important races.........dauphine L is a bit overrated......the tour of Suisse has much more importance. All the big guns (except armstrong, kloden, vino etc) have opted for tour the suisse. Because it's longer and harder!

3) Were is youre head dude......the sport is in France..........LOL! The only cycling important race in french is in JULY! (oke and criterium international and some more small races).........however the beginning of the classics all the prep races are in belgium and holland. So to say Holland and belgium have no races of importance (btw as I said we have way more history then the spanish) is BS!

4) I do agree (no offense here) that americans will always be considered people from the outside. Armstrong has done good to bring americans to the tour. I'm afraid after this year there won't be so many americans anymore or other people from over the world.

5) Tour daaaaay georgia is a good race. And CSC is an american sponsor. Think here with me for a moment: could it possibly have to do something with that!

(love those gay smilies

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I see youre banned.........wow little harsh huh! There are more forums good luck with the others.......

With love,

MJ

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Originally Posted by Banesto2007

Youre smug and gay with all of your little smiley faces. You dont understand on-the-road tactics and I shouldnt have place any importance on quoted sources. An Anglo correspondant for an Anglo publication/site, regarding an Anglo rider on an Anglo team. Enough said. Its a Latin sport with Latin ethics. Yall are outsiders. This isnt gay ass, ball busting Paris Roubaix where everyone rides for themselves, destroying their nuts over cobbles. Ok , first of all CSC is overrated. Riis isnt a great strategist, he just had a flukish plan to change tempos on Indurain in the mountains to win in 1996. He took his earnings and secured a sponsor. If Basso's objective was to do well at the Giro, how does Zabriskie expending his reserves on a selfish ITT effort benefit him. Ill repeat again the fact that Riis bitched them all out for losing contact with Basso when he lost :30 on stage 3 and it wasnt even mountainous. Its easy to win an ITT when everyone else is much more tired because they have a job to do on all the other stages. You quoted Zabriskie ..."I WANTED TO WIN TODAY" and from your propaganda filled sources thats all that can be verified. IF Riis wanted him to try and win , thats a horrible tactic because Basso doesnt need the 150th riders' time splits.... (Dave) , when he himself is 6th from last to go. Zabriskie should have conserved for the race itself. Now, Danielson and Zabriskie both are EXTREMELY limited as cyclists. Neither have any muscle mass and the only reason Danielson has shown potential is because hes lived for years at altitude in Durango, CO. and raced against Crit. oriented riders who are only good at riding for an hour or two . He cant go longer than 7-8 days , hes just flat out not an athlete. Zabriskie is 5'11 150 , hell never do well in the tour because he cannot climb with that undersized frame. I wouldnt even consider him to be a good TTT specialist because at his waifish size he doesnt provide much of a draft unless hes got a small guy behind him, for Basso hes comporable but they wont be a good TTT team even with Voigt, Julich. Basso is not even a great athlete even without mentioning the fact that he has no intensity. Fassa Non-Tendered him because he was overrated. Basically the amateurish Riis has been signing everyone elses garbage. Hamilton,Julich,Basso,Voigt Jaksche,Sastre. Theyve dominated Paris-Nice, Tour Med, Crit Int., and Romandie but that is their niche. Bassos podium was a fluke because Jan caught a virus from his kid, and because everyone dropped out. Ullrich, Vino, Lance, Ekimov, Popo, Azevedo, Rubiera, Savoldelli, Cioni, Flecha, Pettachi, Pozzato, Velo, Brusegin , Cancellara , Kirchen , Frigo. Even Sevilla knows what his role is. All of those guys are real riders so that is why Zabriskie, Julich,Hamilton,Landis,Danielson and Basso were all disposed of by those teams. Botero will do better than Landis in July for the Phonak squad. Americans are overrated because they only ride for themselves. They all should go to CSC. Then they can go win all the races in March when its snowing out. Their victories in Romandie were with a blood doping Hamilton.

OH yeah, Tour of Georgia is a gay EXHIBITION race for Americans. Its not even a real race. Why do you think CSC always tries to do well there with Voigt last year and Julich, and Vandborg this year. There werent even time bonuses going into the last day when Danielson only had a 0:04 second lead against Lance,Landis,Julich,Levi, who could all care less about the race. Lance won last year without even trying. Tour of California is going to be a joke too. The only races that matter are
THE TOURS OF FRANCE, SPAIN, ITALY, PARIS-NICE, DAUPHINE-L, LIEGE-B-L, CATALUNYA, PAIS VASCO, VALENCIA, MURCIA, SAN SEBASTIAN, WORLDS, LOMBARDY(unless you dont like racing in October).

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LIEGE-B-L (which might as well be French), THE SPORT IS IN FRANCE, ITALY, AND SPAIN.

3 Days of De Panne, 4 Days of Dunkirk, Flanders, Roubaix, Fleche Wallone, Amstel, KBK, Camembert, all those others are not meaningful. The races in Switzerland are not great thats why Jan screws up by racing there and Tour of Germany and Italian Criteriums instead of DAUHPINE. At least he did CATALUNYA but he should have tried to win it. CSC is going to implode in Du Tour not DE Tour.

EoinC · #24 06-06.-2005

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Originally Posted by MJtje

I see youre banned.........

Banned!!! How am I going to continue with my research into prehistoric beings living in a modern world if Banesto2007 isn't available for me to collect data on? I call on Noam Chomsky to have B'07 released in order that the thinking processes of an ancient troglodyte may be further examined.

Mansmind · #25 06-06.-2005

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Originally Posted by EoinC

Banned!!! How am I going to continue with my research into prehistoric beings living in a modern world if Banesto2007 isn't available for me to collect data on? I call on Noam Chomsky to have B'07 released in order that the thinking processes of an ancient troglodyte may be further examined.

banned huh?

And I thought we might get to enjoy some prehistoric fistacuffs.

John

musette · #26 06-06.-2005

I've been thinking about another reason Zabriske may have been let go by USPS:

-- Crashprone. I know it's not a cyclist's fault that he crashes (especially when there are uncontrollable accidents), but Zabriske has a history of being relatively crash-prone (e.g., as Bruyneel said when Zabriske won the Vuelta time trial, the "big accident and then the crash at Redlands").

For a team that is trying to win GC at Grand Tours and whose riders are mostly domestiques in support of their GC contenders (which Zabriske clearly is not), you need to know you can count on the domestique not to crash and to continue in the race until the end to support the GC contender. Zabriske, while he had his good days, also showed himself to be crash-proe and that is a negative from Bruyneel's perspective.

You might argue that other riders Bruyneel has used are also crash-prone. For example, Tyler Hamilton -- but he was a much more important domestique to LA and was a much stronger climber. Savoldelli also has a record of very bad crashes (and a number of them). However, Savoldelli is GC contender material and GC winner (past and post-DC). Savoldelli also has special skills (e.g., descending and a balance of good ITTing and reasonably good climbing; also, having won his prior Giro without very limited team support) that made him attractive to Bruyneel.

Lonnie Utah · #27 06-08.-2005

Ohhh. 4 Americans in the Top 5 today. I guess Botero is a P.O.S. for beating Floyd. I wonder what our buddy would say today, if they could still post.....

1. LEIPHEIMER Levi (USA) Gerolsteiner 11:11:20
2. BOTERO Santiago (COL) Phonak, at 0:12
3. ARMSTRONG Lance (USA) Discovery, at 0:30
4. LANDIS Floyd (USA) Phonak, at 0:42
5. HINCAPIE George (USA) Discovery, at 1:09

mitosis · #28 06-12.-2005

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Originally Posted by wolfix

............. Lance Armstrong , Greatest Tour de France rider ever.{non-Latin } .............

I like the way you slipped that statement in. When was this decided?

MJtje · #29 06-12.-2005

Well 6 tours speaks for itself.......the best tour rider in history......but not the best rider ever known in the peloton, BY FAR!!! Put merx, hinault, coppi, indurain, zoetemelk etc........and then comes armstrong.

But then again different era can't compare......

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Originally Posted by mitosis

I like the way you slipped that statement in. When was this decided?

mitosis · #30 06-13.-2005

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Originally Posted by MJtje

Well 6 tours speaks for itself.........

If you want to limit your thinking to tour wins you are right.

But it doesn't speak for itself to me when I look at Merckx and a few others, despite their fewer wins.

And it certainly doesn't when you look at how much LA spends to get the riders in his team to cooperate and now, it seems, riders in other teams.

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