Telekom in disarray - Page 2

:-) No problems I was just playing.............

I'm not sure if there are any German posters on this board but I work with a lot of Germans and they are very very very very direct people and just because they say what they think doesn’t actually mean there is trouble.... Germans will often tell each other that they are upset and that is that....... Germans do not have what English/Americans have called 'small talk'... they just don’t do it.... So when Kloden says it straight he means it but Ulle would not take offence and they are still best mates....... or maybe because Kloden's wife is very good friends with Jan's ex there maybe some ill feeling ? Remember they all went to on holidays as couples at the end of last year and bough those ridiculous baseball glove chairs !



Love hurts !



WBT gossip column out.

When the German language is translated in to english, it does create the perception of "straight talking".

The german language and even german expressions have no english translation or equivalent.
Having worked with a very large German engineering company many years ago, I can attest to the fact that when German statements are translated in to english, the entire meaning and perception of what is actually being said is lost or confused or indeed lost.
I well remember being asked by my english speaking coleagues to define the
German financial concept of "Tefengliderrung" : which to this day I still cannot define in direct english translated equivalent.

However the actions of Mobile speak volumes and I think that there is not the same cohesiveness required to overcome a team like Discovery, regardless of the english translation of german statements.

The lack of cohesiveness (compared to USPS) has always been Mobiles undoing and will (I'm afraid) be their undoing in 2005.

I agree with Lim. But, in retrospect to the "BIg Dogs", I think this will be a great year for the smaller teams. Telecom could never catch USPS/Discovery and wasted a lot of effort in trying to do so. This year, I think Discovery is not as focused as in previous years and a lot of energy is going to be spent between Telecom and Discovery trying to keep up with each other. This opens the door for the smaller teams.

For me, right now, the front runners for the 05 "Upset" are Euskaltel or Libirty.

Earlier this year, I was thinking that Lance would walk away with another win in the tour, but now, I really htink that one of the smaller teams have a great chance at robbing a Tour de France overall win.

I think LA is certainly going to be there or thereabouts on GC.

But, like Synper, I would love to see some new faces come in to contention.
We could well have a situation where a "smaller team" nips through because
Mobile and Discovery are only concentrating on each other.

CSC would be my nomination.

I could see that, although I think Basso has become threatening enough that he will be on the radar of the big 4 at Disco/T-Mobile. The big guns typically mark each other pretty closely; seems to me that two years ago, Vinokourov (when Ullrich was still with Bianchi) kind of snuck up on the duo during that fateful stage when Beloki crashed out. Although Vino and Ullrich are now teammates and both threats to the GC, I could see a similar situation where a good rider who wasn't hyped pre-tour might sneak away on a critical stage and make a run for the GC.

Of course, I forgot Basso's at CSC (sorry Ivan !).

Spot on they are and so are dutch. We don't talk around a subject we say it as it is. That's why Boogerd and De jongh say what they say in the newspapers about rabo and the dutch championships. I think in most teams that's not done, but I think it's good to give an opinion.

Dekker wrote in his book that if Boogerd ever attacked him again he would leave rabo (after liege 2004). Boogerd got mad and a few newspapers further with interviews of both riders they are riding again like nothing happened. That's how it should be..........they are professionals, no friends and you still can be in a business together.

LOL; so did I. I had to look up the start list to remind myself of who the top gun was there.

Having just seen Hell on Wheels I felt very sad to see Zabel and Audag off the T Mobile squad. In that film they are like a couple of war veterans scarred by years fighting together, and you could see the love and respect between them. You could also sense that Zabel was on the decline and now he's off the team completely.

Personally I'd like to see Vino take on leadership of T Mobile, but I think it fair for that to be decided on the road. I would have dumped Kloden if I were T mobile.

I saw this on DVD as well... ordered it off Amazon.de to get hold of it.... it was very well filmed and I did to feel sorry for Zabel..... its like such a hard sport especially when your at the back of the peleton on the mountain stages.... looks like a lot of hard work.... the bodies of cyclists do look a little scary thou.... they are so thin and just full of muscle.... I liked the old guy who washed down all the riders after they finished..... he was a professor....



you can order from here:

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASI...146207-7117355

I think I'll buy it - it is in english I presume ?

they showed that documentary on french tv last weekend ( i live in france obviously) and it was filmed in german but obviously with subtitles of your choice. wouldnt mind orderin that meself havin watched it in german with french subs, bit confusin....on the kloden point i read an interview with him where he came across as a bit big headed and even suggests that armstong should have let him win that stage of the Tour de France last year...i'm glad he lost now.

Huh ? Its from the 2003 Tour so that stage hadn’t even occurred yet.... Kloden actually drops out with a back injury in this movie.... and for you girls out there, there is plenty of action with Kloden with his top off showing his tats !

It’s in German but you can chose between Dutch, English, French on the subtitles..... there is also an American subtitle option which doesn’t use big words so they can understand and follow what’s going on..... ;-)

WBT is your Daddy !

Go JAN ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Fine-tuning in cellar for Jan - http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1310

30/06/2005

While most of us probably store our junk and garden tools in the cellar, Jan Ullrich has a special chamber in his basement that could make all the difference to his Tour de France challenge.

It seems that Jan Ullrich has a secret weapon in the cellar of his Scherzigen home on the shores of LakeConstance in Switzerland that could give him a critical edge as he attempts to win the Tour de France for the second time. In between training expeditions from his home, Ullrich has been spending time in a three-metre-square hypobaric chamber built in his basement at a cost of 225,000 euros.

Chambers of this type enable athletes to recreate the atmospheric conditions found at high altitude and boost their red blood cell count in a totally legitimate way.

Ullrich’s basement remodelling was carried out by Berlin-based company Low Oxygen Systems. Their founder, Volker Spiegel, told French news agency AFP that if Ullrich “is in good form for the Tour, he will certainly be able to take advantage of his simulated high-altitude preparation.”

Spiegel explained: “We can now recreate atmospheric conditions that are found between 2000 and 4500 metres in absolutely any room.” The oxygen content of the air in the plexiglass chambers can be reduced to as low as 13% from the 21% found at sea level.

Spiegel said that several other German athletes have taken advantage of the technology, including the national volleyball team. According to Spiegel, the Chinese swimming team have no less than six bedrooms at their Shanghai base adapted in this way so that athletes can effectively live and sleep at altitude.

THIS IS A REPEAT OF THE SAME STORY FROM PREVIOUS T'SDF !

We had stories about JU training in a hyperbaric chamber in Leipzig Sports Institute two years ago as well.

The story is a derivative of the same concept pertaining to Dr Helga Pfeiffer
and the East German doping controversy :
Pfeiffer developed the first "swimming tunnel" to test swimmers in a water tunnel and is flogging these tunnels to China.
Craig Lord of the Sunday Times did a piece about this in early May 2005.

http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthr...er#post1884412