Telekom Mobile "****ty management/cyclist hierarchy system" - Page 2

Just don't post a cartoon picture of Ulle with a helmet shaped like a bomb and you'll be fine.

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LOL, that might cause a riot or get some embassy's burned.

With a Swastica on it maybe.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

Lim

I get the record and have tracked all of those wins as they happened but I still think Tmo has had serious problems as a team. They have consistently gotten Ullrich to the tour underprepared and without a clear plan to support him, they have had amazing riders be just terrible during their tenure there (Il Falco, Julich, Botero to name a few). All of which got back to form when they left for new teams. Their silly performances this year in the mts with ullrich and Kloden chasing down Vinos attacks was downright comical. The Pevenage/Godefroot thing is ridiculous. It would be like Bruyneel and Carmichael refusing to collaborate or be around each other in any way. Would not have worked and it didn't with the Germans.

All in all, Tmo has great riders, they sign many of the best. But they do not seem to get the most out of them. They have gotten results with good riders such as Vino and Zabel. Zabel was very well supported by the team during his green jersey runs. I could say a lot of good things about the riders and the team too but the things I described above frustrate the crap out of me and they are hard to deny.

On a more cynical angle, I sometimes wonder if they are the only clean team in the peloton and that's why the results play out like they do.

I hope the management changes this year pave the way for Ullrich to kick ass in the tour. I am glad to see Zabel is doing so well at Milram. I wish Vino the best with Saiz who seems clinically unstable but has a very talented team around him.

Barn,

Agreed the Pevenage/Goodefroot civil war was madness.
I suppose the fact that they were rivals as cyclists didn't help but the fallout
after Ullrich was suspended by Telekom never really rectified itself.
Jan places great faith in Pevenage - I suppose he's a father figure to Jan.

In the Bianchi season (2003) Pevenage was responsible for team tactics and he seemed to get a weak team to work for Jan (the behind the scenes "life with Bianchi" is great - it shows Pevenage really working closely with Jan Ullrich).
The evening meal after Jan beating LA in the ITT showed Pevenage ordering a toast to JU because he (JU) put in a great effort that day.

As regards Saiz being unstable - I couldn't possibly comment.
Except to say Manola Siaz does have a volcanic temperment

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morelike hypocrisy.

I don't know if he (Pevenage) is a father figure for Jan but it wouldn't suprise me if he is. Jan grew up in East Germany and during the DDR years he was used to be taking care of by the cycling institutions in the former communist part of Germany (DDR).

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As regards Saiz being unstable - I couldn't possibly comment.
Except to say Manola Siaz does have a volcanic temperment[/QUOTE]
volcanic temperment is probably a better way to put it based on what I actually know but where there's smoke, there's fire. Saiz does lose it periodically.

Looks like Mussette was right and Limrickman wrong, a victim of his T-Mobile bais.

T-Mobile cheated and doped it way to all these fraudulent victories. I would add the words 'unethical and dishonest' to her words, '****ty management'.

Some people have a knack at hitting the core of the matter.

Fans support cheating in politics, business and sport. Then deny it.

The end justifies the means. Only winning (results) matters.

2008 will be another repeat of 1998, 2006, 2007. But Hein Verbruggen & **** Pound & their IOC TV Network partners will present the Olympic Games as clean and neat.

Same ol same ol.

Is this a racist post?

Hmmmm?

... of doping ... and employing its in-house EPO injecting doctors to "administer" its oxymoronic anti-doping policy.

Which is why Big George is going there. Doesn't Musette wonder why two Disco riders would go to TM? Should be interesting, especially if Klodi goes back.

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This stuff is just crap...Hitchy

The question should really be ... "If Disco was so dirty, why is T-Mobile picking up its riders (3 including Mike Barry) ...."

Disco haters and T-Mobile lovers (apologists), you can't have it both ways.

Everyone wants their "secret."

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This stuff is just crap...Hitchy