Now UCI joins list as A##clowns!!! - Page 2

cyclingnews.com reveals that UCI has had to suspend its medical officer Dr. Zorzoni for leaking the control sheets.

Man this story is getting worse and worse...its chief medical officer!!!
a doctor I assume. Man witrh HIPPA laws in the US protecting privacy, this guy would face hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines from the U govt and probably lose his license to practice...whetehr Lance ever sued or not.

This guy is over. If the chief medical officer is part of a witchhunt, which I think I said from the beginning that this whole story is, where does that leave us? If a doctor for pete's sake is violating his Hippocratic oath, and ethics to reveal priveleged and confidential material, how bad does this make UCI look?

And by the way it makes the whole stroy stink to hogh heaven. Who now believes that any of this is for real?

Need we point out that Zorzoli is an Italian doctor???

here is a cute picture of Dr. Zorzoli being wined and dined at Phonak Team Camp last year?!?!?

http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?f...big&imageid=54

Ummm, need we point out that Tyler had a heart to heart with Dr. Zorzoli after Romandie and before the Tour de France 2005:

from Tyler's diary:

"I also had a face to face meeting with Dr. Zorzoli in June to discuss my health test results. We spoke at length about my reticulocyte counts and what the medical explanations for those readings could be. He recommended a specialist for me to see in Boston to try and get to the bottom of the results. It was a friendly conversation, during which the topic of the new blood transfusion test was raised. Dr. Zorzoli noted that the test would be approved soon, but pointedly noted that I was fine to continue racing.
I was also told that regardless of whether or not we agreed on the accuracy of my hematocrit reading at Romandie, that result put me in the out-of-competition testing pool for extra doping tests between races.
I agreed to help Dr. Zorzoli with the development of the forms he needed to design to determine the whereabouts of athletes in the program. We traded multiple emails and faxes regarding this subject in the days after our meeting.
So for me, nothing had really changed. I planned to follow up with the hematology specialist in Boston during the off season, and started the Tour de France two weeks later as planned."

Ominous words in retrospect

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I don't understand the thread here.... If the UCI who owned the documents, and can vouch for them, admits that they are genuine and that they match the LA urine samples, which have EPO in them... How does this not make LA look like a 100% certified, proven EPO User???

Whether the leak was ethical or not... the result is that official documents confirm Lance as abusing EPO in 1999.

hmmm.

I just can't follow this logic. I'm not saying I don't believe doping exists. I believe it's widespread. Three of the worlds top riders, in Millar, Hamilton, and Heras have been popped in the last few years. Pretty damning. But your post implies that getting rid of doping would create a bunch of vanilla flavored "elite club racers" that you equate to Hampsten. There's a serious jump in logic here. Just because you get rid of doping doesn't mean you can't still have an elite group of clean riders, making for some exciting racing. You're always going to have that fraction of one percent who are just a little bit better than everyone else, drugs or no drugs. If anything, and this is a big hypothetical, let's say Lance did dope in the 2005 tour (I don't actually believe he did). What if instead he'd rode it clean? Probably would have been a more exciting race.

seriamente,

perro

I guess it depends where you are coming from.

If you want a clean sport, it is rather ironic that the UCIs biggest problem was who let the cat out of the bag rather than the fact that Lance was caught with both Epo & corticosteroids in 1999 and got away with it.

If you are a doping apologist or live with your head in the sand, it is an absolute outrage.

BTW, please stop replying to your other personalities hombredebobke. Or should we call you Sybil?

Bingo. This is a perfect sum up.

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Harry

Bobke, love the assertion that to stand up against cheating is unethical...you do start my day with a good laugh

Shoot the messenger. LOL.

I’m still laughing at this thread; On the 'Armstrong Dopes again' thread there are 40 pages of you guys claming l'Equipe is corrupt and falsified doping documents to bring Armstrong down and that the UCI are legends for supporting Lance.

Now we find that the doping control forms are in fact valid and came from the UCI's most respected doctor after Armstrong had agreed for them to be released (1 not all 15) and all of sudden the UCI are clowns.... make your mind up will ya ? There is only one clown here at that is the public that bought into the 'Armstrong lie'.

I think you guys are missing the point here.
UCI leaked Lance's control sheets, for no reason other than slander.

Up until that point, unless there were MORE leaks from inside, no one could have known that the urine sample that the lab ran as EPO positive belonged to Lance, right?
Get it guys?

Lemme do it again.

The lab ran the samples.
Zorzoni then releases Lance's sheets illegally.
A journalist later gets Lance's control sheets.
Then miracle of miracles, the lab positives for EPO miraculously happen to match Lance's samples.

Does any of this sound fishy?
Is this a fair or watertight way of running drug controls or proving Lance doped.
Arent there about a million loopholes here.

Geez you guys really have your head in the sand.


How is Zorzoni standing up against doping?
How would he have "known" that there were 6 samples in the lab that belonged to Lance?


This is a smear campaign pure and simple.
But dont believe me, the guy already got fired and eventually bits of the story will trickle out.

I believe a lot of us do want dope free sports in general. I agree it is a widespread problem.
However if we do not a least voice an opinion and try to promote purity in cycling then we condone doping. IMHO
Besides, although I am past the age of competition those that use perfromance enhancers make me look even slower and I need all the help I can get.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

ummm think your forgetting one vital point...... Armstrong gave the authority for 1 doping sheet to be released.... they were not leaked……… hard to call it 'slander' when the man who it supposedly being slandered against released the information ! ! Wouldn’t stand up in court for one second..... I guess Armstrong could sue himself ?

Oh and the good doctor is not being fired as he had authority to hand across the information.

If Armstrong thinks l'Equipe is so bad why did he allow for the UCI to hand over the doping records to Ressort at l'Equipe ?

Armstrong was a very stupid man...... he can only blame himself for the mess he is in and we can thank l'Equipe for telling the real truth.....

Well, before we all move on, lets recall the facts.
Dr. Zamboni HAS been asked to step down.
He was not authorized to release the 15 sheets.
He KNEW he was releasing them to journalists who were talking to Lance under false pretenses in order to make Lance look bad, all of this is factual and undisputed.
Because of his position in UCI he was under an even higher requirement to act ethically which he didnt. He broke his contract with UCI and trust with all the riders he ever deals with.
When the guys enforcing the rules look worse than the guys breaking them, that's when you have to ask what is going on.


FREE BODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you're searching around for an excuse to try to blame away the fact that your man was caught doping - on six separate occasions in the 1999 Tour de France.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.