Now UCI joins list as A##clowns!!! - Page 5

man... you guys got lots of this story twisted... the L'Equipe journalist didn't say he was doing a negative Lance article... he lied and said he was doing a PRO Lance article... with a slant that... many had claimed that Lance had been given special concideration to use EPO and other drugs because of his cancer and he wanted to show that LA had not been given such special consideration. were you not wondering why LA would have given his permission to release the one document he did authorise to help a guy that was going to do a negative article about him? get it right!

EPO is not even the drug of choice these days but can be still be used in micro doses to get around controls (as others have stated)... EPO is just used to get you in the 0.4 region, then you can use Perfloro carbons, Hemopure, Oxyglobin and Hemassist... etc, etc... you don't have to worry about failing your hematocrit test since these drugs basically allow you hemagolbin to transport oxygen and get oxygen from the blood and into tissue much better than the hemoglobin that nature gave us... so of course LA's performances when up over the years since he had access to better more effective drugs.. and also was being advise by the worlds greatest expert on performance enhancing drugs and methods (legal and illegal).. Michele Ferrari...
Lance was on USPS when Actovegin was found in their trash... so we know he does know about these other methods
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mor..._actovegin_ap/

Actually, Armstrong stated quite categorically in an interview with Equipe in 1999 that he had no special dispensation for any drugs - including EPO

yeah so... i think i'm missing your point??

people state a lot of things categorically... like... "i don't use performance enhancing drugs" (LA)... or "i did not have sexual relations with that woman.." remember Clintion? that doesn't mean it's true and it certainly doesn't prevent people from doubting the validitiy of their categorical denial (and many people were still saying that he had been given special dipenstation)... but L'Equipe journalist lied and told the UCI and Armstrong that he would use the UCI documents to make the case that he hadn't been given any special dispensation for any drugs - including EPO... just as you say... so what's your point? If he had been given special dispenstion it would apear on his documentation but it doesn't.

don't get it twisted... the UCI is the riders orgainization and will do everthing in their power to get riders off... and Vebruggen (sp) has always been very pro Lance. The UCI had to be forced to accept the WADA code by the IOC or cycling would not be included as an olympic sport... i think they only signed-on less than a month before the olympics. WADAs mandate is to catch drug cheats... and they looked at LA as the 'big fish' so they would go after him with everything they have.

The UCI/Lance gave the documentation to L'Equipe to PROVE categorically that he hadn't been given special dispensation not just STATE it like LA had done before with limited success.

[QUOTE=doctorSpoc]yeah so... i think i'm missing your point??

"people state a lot of things categorically... like... "i don't use performance enhancing drugs" (LA)... or "i did not have sexual relations with that woman.." remember Clintion? ".

"don't get it twisted... the UCI is the riders orgainization and will do everthing in their power to get riders off... . "




So will interns!

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

[QUOTE=jhuskey]i wonder is Vebruggen (sp) could do that trick with the cigar?

Only with a "Douche Masters" brand.

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This from said SI article:

"U.S. Postal said its team doctor had been authorized by the French medical control board to bring Actovegin into the country for the race.
The doctor said the drug was on hand for treating severe skin abrasions caused by crashes, and for use by a staff member with diabetes. None of the team's nine riders used Actovegin, the team said."

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yeah.. HAHAHA... that's a good one.. that's a joke right?

well the team doctor did better than Rumsas' wife when they caught her crossing the border into france with a car filled with a virtual phamacy of drugs (see below)... she said the drugs were for her diabetic mother... guess she was using the Actovegin for her road rash too...

but the thing i don't get is why were all those cross country skiers, and swimmers were using it for? snow burn... water rash?

[edit] but really... actovegin comes as an ointment for topical use... you don't have a load of baggies filled with the stuff and slather that stuff all over your skin.. that excuse is pretty much as rediculous as rumsas' wife...

come on.. please tell me you can't be that niave... tell me that was a joke.

know what Rumsas continued to ride and didn't fail a drug test 'til quite a while later... guess he got a bit sloppy.

http://au.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2002/sep02/sep13news

Rumsas' pharmacy on wheels...
3 flasks of Actovegin
1 flask of Norditropin penset 24 (growth hormone)
1 flask of TAD 600
1 flask of solvent for Norditropin
1 injection of Actrapid Novolet (insulin)
1 box of Spascupreel
1 box of albumine humaine 20 %
1 box of Ubichinon Compositum (co-enzyme Q)
2 boxes of Thyreoida Compositum (hormone extracts)
3 boxes of Testis Compositum (hormone extracts)
2 ampoules of Coffeinum (caffeine)
1 ampoule of Celestone (anti-inflammatory)
1 ampoule of Benexol B12 5000 (vitamins)
3 ampoules of Ketonal
3 flasks of Kenacort retard (corticoids)
1 box of Toco 500 (vitamin E)
1 bottle of sodium chloride 0.9
3 capsules of No Spa Forte
15 capsules of Durvitan (caffeine)
10 ampoules and one tablet of Pentohexal 300 (vasodilator)
1 box and three tablets of MAG 2 (magnesium)
12 capsules of Ozothine
15 capsules of Optalidon
2 packets of Eurythrox 50
2 boxes of Immunoferon (immuno-stimulants)
2 boxes of Trofalgon
1 box of Androderm (testosterone)
6 capsules and one ampoule of Alphalipon (improves nervous functions)
2 tablets of Stilnox
4 capsules of Oltramp
30 tablets of Bentelan (corticoids)
30 tablets and 4 ampoules of Voltaren (anti-inflammatory)
3 tablets of Praxilen
1 tablet of Cafiaspirina (caffeine and aspirin)
1 ampoule of sterile water and one flask of Haes-Steril
1 flask of Geref (enhances production of endogenous HG)

au·thor·ize (ôth-rz)
tr.v. au·thor·ized, au·thor·iz·ing, au·thor·iz·es

1. To grant authority or power to.
2. To give permission for; sanction: the city agency that authorizes construction projects.
3. To be sufficient grounds for; justify.

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ok... i'll stop trying to guess your point if you actually make one... what is your point?

Are you sure it wasn't approved by the dairy farmers board of France ?

I always reach for cow's blood in the form of Actovegin when I have a cut on my finger... I just find normal medical creams and bandages just don't work so I carry around suitcases full of the stuff in case I get a paper cut at work....

The only problem is when I use it I get such a left and feel like there is oxygen pumping around my body along with a massive increase in my glucose stores and the build up of lactic acid seems to diminish….. strange I just want my cuts and bruises to heal…. so I checked the company website.....:

http://www.nycomed.com.cn/english/wmdcp/awz/biaoti.html

"The active components in Actovegin® promote glucose uptake by cerebral and skeletal muscle and other cells and stimulate intrinsic glucose transport by regulating glucose carrier GluT1; Actovegin® activates piruvate-dehydrogenase (PDH) and thereby leads to increased utilization of glucose by cells and formation of energy-rich substances ("insulin-like·effect). (Oberermaier-Kusser et al. 1989 Actovegin® also increases uptake and utilization of oxygen by hypoxic tissues and cells (which can be proven by Warburg's test) via promoting mitochondrial respiratory function and decreases formation of lactate, as a result, it protects hypoxic tissue. (Machicao, 1993; Kununaka et al. 1991)"

ok... doesn't seem like you are going bother to make your point clear, so i'll asume the point you were trying to make was that they were authorized to bring it in the country... well yeah! under a false pretence! for sure they were! just like Lance authorized the UCI to release his documents to the L'Equipe journalist under a false pretence... think they would have let it in the county if the doctors had revealed the real reason... well, yeah I'm bringing this in the country to juice up my athletes for the Tour... oh, ok, no problem, go right though... the Australian medical body let it in their country too during Sidney... it wasn't 'til the IOC and the UCI started wondering why are all these endurance athletes all over the world are bringing 'calves blood' around with them to every competition that people started asking questions.

..and the othe thing is that, if it was all legit and on the up an up... why is it that when police started doing random searches of hotel rooms... USPS decided they are going to dump the stuff? i mean they went to all the trouble of getting paper work and brining it and they must have still had that diabetic employee... so why would they dump it... they just discovered Polysporin?

so yeah, after being lied to by athletes and team doctors, countries all over the world authorized the stuff to be brought into their counties... they don't know the illicit uses for the stuff... no one but the athletes and their coaches did at this time... and seem like lots of people still don't know about it, they probably just read what's on package i.e. the legit reasons for using it and said, yeah ok sure.

so if that was your point it's... crap

i actually like Merriam-Webster's dictionary

Main Entry: crap
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English crappe chaff, residue from rendered fat, perhaps from Old French crappe chaff, residue, from Medieval Latin crappa
1 a usually vulgar : EXCREMENT b usually vulgar : the act of defecating
2 sometimes vulgar : NONSENSE, RUBBISH; also : STUFF 4b

awesome doc, I love your sense of humor too.

Must be true then.

and now this :

"After an internal inquest following the episode which allowed a journalist from L'Equipe to obtain copies of anti-doping forms from the 1999 Tour de France, we have decided to reinstate Doctor Zorzoli," a UCI spokesman told AFP.
The UCI noted that after his suspension the widely-respected Zorzoli was sent numerous messages of support, and even one from Armstrong himself.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/9661.0.html