Giro : Stage 11 Pontedera - Pontedera, ITT : 50 kms - Page 14

LOL. I suspect this is more about you chafing at any mention of LA than it is about "educating" anyone about the great and glorious history of cycling. No one suggested that Armstrong is the only cyclist worthy of mention. Your original comment was to huff indignantly when someone mentioned "Armstrong's high cadence style". That's like getting pissed off at the mention of "Ullrich's bicycle" because it implies he invented it. Regardless of whether he was the first to employ it, Armstrong's pedaling cadence has been the subject of much analysis for much of the past decade, and it makes sense to attribute it to him when we are discussing one of his younger rivals who has adapted it to his own use.

Yes, we all know cycling existed before Lance Armstrong, but as has been noted, not everyone is as well-versed in the history of the sport. Good luck trying to make yourself understood to the vast majority of the people on this thread if you mention "Kubler's high-cadence pedaling style". It may not be as historically elegant to attribute it to Armstrong, but it's far more descriptive to the majority of cycling fans, who perhaps aren't familiar with a Swiss cyclist who won the event once back in 1950.

In absolute terms, Mit is correct to state that high cadence style was developed long before Armstrong.

You're also correct to state that to some members here that the references to the Pedaller of Charm's (Kubler) cadence would mean nothing.

Both you and Mit are longstanding members who contribute good and incisive
information.
Let not ye fall out over this.

Personally I think Stephen Roche was the man who brought the high cadence style back in to fashion.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Aw, I wouldn't hold any grudges, and from what I've seen of mitosis he'd counter with a quick effective verbal jab to my ribcage and we'd shake hands over the skirmish.

The underlying point, of course, is valid. Armstrong's pedaling style was not an innovation. It was, however, celebrated by the media during his heyday, so I thought it was a little uppish to respond to the characterization as "sloppy".

True - and an effective pedalling style it is to.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Yes, he's shown he is a contender.

My apologies to anyone on this forum who has taken serious offense at my comments. They were only intended to cause moderate upset.

This is an interesting article from Cyclingnews, calculating the gap (in metres) between JU and the main contenders in this years Giro, as calculated on the basis of the ITT Stage11.
Ullrich was nearly 4kms ahead of Simoni, for example, over the course based on their respective finish times

Following the conclusion of yesterday's time trial in Pontedera, Giro organisers RCS Sport published some interesting figures on just how far in front stage winner Jan Ullrich was from the rest. We know his 58 minutes and 48 seconds equated to an average speed of 51.02 kilometres an hour, but relatively speaking, how far behind were his rivals?

Position Metres behind

1 Ullrich 0
2 Basso 396.822
3 Pinotti 864.506
4 Gonchar 977.883
5 Savoldelli 1,119.606
11 Danielson 2,169.694
14 Bruseghin 2,508.483
17 Gutierrez Catalunya 2,579.344
21 Rogers 2,834.444
26 Garate 3,287.956
30 Rujano G. 3,613.917
33 Simoni 3,698.950
48 Pellizotti 4,251.667
55 Di Luca 4,435.906
60 Bettini 4,520.939
71 Cunego 4,733.522
84 Sella 5,712.861

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Yes ,my apologies to anyone also who has taken moderate offense,as I intended obscence offense and nasty,putirdy hog-weasel offense offense.
I will try harder in the future.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

Do you know if Jan's riding a newer TT bike model for the tour or is he keeping the same one? From photos, it seems as if he's kept the same bike since at least last year. Also of note, his position hasn't changed. I don't think at this stage in his career he'll want to change his position, and why should he? It's only ever been beaten by one man. From a comparison, I can't see much, if any change in TT position. The first pic is from 2004 tour, the second from Last year at the tour of Germany and the third is from the 2006 Giro. It seems he didn't choose to ride with 3 or 4 spoke front wheel, maybe he was indeed just testing the legs.

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I have no reason to believe he has changed any technique. In all seriousness he needs the Giro to get to his target form for July.
Jan rides a lower cadence ,bigger gear style than most and it works for him because he can produce such a large amount of power at a lower rpm.
Forget about the past years and lets see what he can do this July.

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Interesting stat from Cyclingnews:

Just how far in front was Ullrich?
Following the conclusion of yesterday's time trial in Pontedera, Giro organisers RCS Sport published some interesting figures on just how far in front stage winner Jan Ullrich was from the rest. We know his 58 minutes and 48 seconds equated to an average speed of 51.02 kilometres an hour, but relatively speaking, how far behind were his rivals?

Position Metres behind 1 Ullrich 02 Basso 396.8223 Pinotti 864.5064 Gonchar 977.8835 Savoldelli 1,119.60611 Danielson 2,169.69414 Bruseghin 2,508.48317 Gutierrez Catalunya 2,579.34421 Rogers 2,834.44426 Garate 3,287.95630 Rujano G. 3,613.91733 Simoni 3,698.95048 Pellizotti 4,251.66755 Di Luca 4,435.90660 Bettini 4,520.93971 Cunego 4,733.52284 Sella 5,712.861

Point being??

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Point being that the time difference is presented in a more tangible format ie distance.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Limerick,

Regardless, of whether you quote time or distance, you'd have to conclude he gave them all a bath!!

KInd regards,

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