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nns1400 · #16 07-27.-2006

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Originally Posted by allgoo19

Facts-1
UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani said Landis requested the "B" sample, which is not required by cycling's governing body.

"We are confident in the first (test)," Carpani said. "For us, the first one is already good."

--Result of test(A) alone is solid as an evidence without test(B) assuming it was done properly.--

Facts-2
Testosterone can build muscle and improve recovery time when used over a period of several weeks, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine. But if Landis had been a user, his earlier urine tests during the tour would have been affected, he said.

"So something's missing here," Wadler said. "It just doesn't add up."

--This makes a good sense.--

Landis's part:
He didn't respond quick enough, keeping silence for too long, made many people think "Aha, He did it!" It gave an impression that he was thinking, "Ok, I got caught. Now, what I'm going to do?" He should be angry and speaking out immediately like hell at the announcement of test result, like Lance has been doing. Why he didn't come out soon and defend himself? Isn't it the way normally people react when he or she was accused of being a cheater?

At least he is speaking for himself and talking candidly to reporters and answering some questions, instead of reading prepared statements from his lawyer, like Ullrich. So far, at least.

jmmj · #17 07-27.-2006

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Originally Posted by Minnaert

Actually, Lance did fail a T/E related to tour in the mid 90's if memory serves me correctly. Oh and it was sample A in that accusation too.

Pre-dominant Lance? I couldn't remember if he did or not. What was his response then and how did everything go down?

Regardless, I don't think anyone's faced this situation- win the tour- fail a test- at the top and then all this blows up- not exactly like there's a protocol for dealing with this.

azdroptop · #18 07-27.-2006

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Originally Posted by jmmj

Pre-dominant Lance? I couldn't remember if he did or not. What was his response then and how did everything go down?

Regardless, I don't think anyone's faced this situation- win the tour- fail a test- at the top and then all this blows up- not exactly like there's a protocol for dealing with this.

Ended up being cortisone I believe.

nns1400 · #19 07-27.-2006

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Originally Posted by azdroptop

Ended up being cortisone I believe.

Oh, but he accidentally used cortisone in a skin cream, and of course, no one from the team, like the doctors, realized it, and they got a back-dated prescription to prove it. So that doesn't count

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wilmar13 · #20 07-28.-2006

I remember watching the end of stage 17 and Flandis was ridiculously angry as he got off his bike, almost like roid rage. Now it makes sense.

GuyNoir · #21 07-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by wilmar13

I remember watching the end of stage 17 and Flandis was ridiculously angry as he got off his bike, almost like roid rage. Now it makes sense.

I am really of no opinion either way right now. Other than if he did cheat, I will be disappointed. But I will see how it plays out and come up with my own informed opinion based on all the facts.

One cannot suffer from roid rage from single use (which this appears to be the claim). In fact to gain any benefits from steroids/andro/test it has to be cycled into the system over a moderate dosing schedule. Thus should have shown up in his labs long before stage 17.

wilmar13 · #22 07-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by GuyNoir

One cannot suffer from roid rage from single use (which this appears to be the claim). In fact to gain any benefits from steroids/andro/test it has to be cycled into the system over a moderate dosing schedule. Thus should have shown up in his labs long before stage 17.

Or the masking agent that worked in the previous tests, failed to do so in this one.

rocko · #23 07-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by wilmar13

Or the masking agent that worked in the previous tests, failed to do so in this one.

what are the facts about this? Isn't it true that his epitestosterone level was high and not his testeosterone level? I can't stand this ****, I want rid of the cheats but also the doubt. I have recently begun to stop cheering for any rider I doubt in any way, and that's left me with Bradley Wiggins to cheer for.

BillC · #24 07-28.-2006

Certainly hope the B test is negative or that Landis can show that it might have been due to some combination of corticosteroids (for hip), thyroid drug, alcohol, fatigue etc.

One thing bothers me, though, that I haven't seen mentioned on these threads yet. Landis drank more water during the Morzine stage than anyone you have ever seen, (even if he did tip most of it down his back). Why did he do that?? Worried about the urine test after the stage is one explanation.

Very high water consumption might also explain why it is (reportedly) his epitestosterone level that was very low, not his testerone level that was high.

Tonto · #25 07-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by obxbes

FRENCH JUST CAN'T STAND AN AMERICAN WINNING AGAIN. DON'T THINK PEIRIERA BELEIVES FLOYD DID IT SAID IF HE IS GIVEN THE VICTORY IT'S JUST A BUREAUCRATIC THING. VIVE LE FRANCE

That should be 'Vive La France'. Good man.

fvri · #26 07-28.-2006

Today who can say who is and who isn't cheating. But, please don't begin with saying that the French don't like an American to win. If lately the world has seen some cheating it came directly from the US. Or don't you remember how Powell foolt the UN. The US can't admit they were wrong about Iraq (of coarse everything to do with economics) even that other American who won the Tour several times can't admit he wasn't clean. Thus, I don't expect that Landis will do the same. He was unfortunate that he took a dosis that could be traced. He took a risk and likely he will hang. Please don't take the US today for moral standards. Thus, Floyd don't say :"I would like to be presumed innocent until proven guilty -- since that's the way we do things in America."

what about the guys in Guantanamo (Cuba) and the treatement in Abu in Iraq. Nice way the way the Americans do things in the world. Please don't lecture the world on moral standards. Keep it to sports!

Br,
Fvri

Skewter · #27 07-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by fvri

Today who can say who is and who isn't cheating. But, please don't begin with saying that the French don't like an American to win. If lately the world has seen some cheating it came directly from the US. Or don't you remember how Powell foolt the UN. The US can't admit they were wrong about Iraq (of coarse everything to do with economics) even that other American who won the Tour several times can't admit he wasn't clean. Thus, I don't expect that Landis will do the same. He was unfortunate that he took a dosis that could be traced. He took a risk and likely he will hang. Please don't take the US today for moral standards. Thus, Floyd don't say :"I would like to be presumed innocent until proven guilty -- since that's the way we do things in America."

what about the guys in Guantanamo (Cuba) and the treatement in Abu in Iraq. Nice way the way the Americans do things in the world. Please don't lecture the world on moral standards. Keep it to sports!

Br,
Fvri

Please don't lecture. As if the French can take some moral high ground. I agree that the debate should be kept to sports. You said that right after you berated the US for a decent sized paragraph. While I agree with your assertation that the Iraq situation is a complete screw up, that doesn't give you the right to talk about things the way you do. America is vastly ooposed to the war. From the beginning a very large amount of the country was opposed to the war and the ones who weren't were gullable.

Spare me the commentary and take your own advice. Lets keep this to sports.

I can't believe my first post is to defend America agianst French critics. Ohh wait!

Skewter · #28 07-28.-2006

Ohh and yeah i hope Landis is innocent. If he isn't I am going to be very concerned over the influence that foreign atheletes have had on our riders. Considering the number of European riders that cheat, you can chalk it up to peer pressure. America didn't invent cheating. The world showed us how to do it.

olo · #29 07-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by Skewter

Ohh and yeah i hope Landis is innocent. If he isn't I am going to be very concerned over the influence that foreign atheletes have had on our riders. Considering the number of European riders that cheat, you can chalk it up to peer pressure. America didn't invent cheating. The world showed us how to do it.

sure

nns1400 · #30 07-28.-2006

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Originally Posted by fvri

Today who can say who is and who isn't cheating. But, please don't begin with saying that the French don't like an American to win. If lately the world has seen some cheating it came directly from the US. Or don't you remember how Powell foolt the UN. The US can't admit they were wrong about Iraq (of coarse everything to do with economics) even that other American who won the Tour several times can't admit he wasn't clean. Thus, I don't expect that Landis will do the same. He was unfortunate that he took a dosis that could be traced. He took a risk and likely he will hang. Please don't take the US today for moral standards. Thus, Floyd don't say :"I would like to be presumed innocent until proven guilty -- since that's the way we do things in America."

what about the guys in Guantanamo (Cuba) and the treatement in Abu in Iraq. Nice way the way the Americans do things in the world. Please don't lecture the world on moral standards. Keep it to sports!

Br,
Fvri

Yes, let's! What Guantanamo has to do with this is....nothing. Obviously riders from nearly every country are involved in doping scandals. Lately the world has seen some cheating directly from everywhere! And BTW, Landis rides (rode) for a Swiss team. And Jan Ullrich has already been quoted as saying the same thing about being innocent until proven guilty (a little human rights innovation originating directly from, let's see, the U.S).

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