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Floyd will be cleared. Apparently, Floyd had whiskey and beer. Alcohol will increase the Testosterone to Epitestosterone ratio from 30%-277% in healthy people. From following article written in 2001 by By Dr Simon Davis B.Sc., Ph.D.
Scroll half way down to (The Effect of Alcohol Consumption on the Urinary Testosterone / Epitestosterone Ratio)



http://www.crainsmuscleworld.com/new...news071601.htm

Floyd said he had whiskey at following link.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt...v=ap&type=lgns
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Even Landis' doctor says alcohol is not an explanation:

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10596.0.html

"Landis has been taking cortisone for his deteriorating hip, and thyroid pills for a hypothyroid condition. Neither should affect his T/E ratio, Dr. Kay said. Nor should the much-celebrated beer Landis had after stage 16, or the small amount of Jack Daniels he had with a few teammates in the hotel afterwards."
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Even Landis' doctor says alcohol is not an explanation:

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10596.0.html

"Landis has been taking cortisone for his deteriorating hip, and thyroid pills for a hypothyroid condition. Neither should affect his T/E ratio, Dr. Kay said. Nor should the much-celebrated beer Landis had after stage 16, or the small amount of Jack Daniels he had with a few teammates in the hotel afterwards."
I found this a more interesting quote from the article...
"One reporter asked Landis whether he had ever taken performance-enhancing drugs. 'I'll say no,' Landis said."


That's kind of a weird way to say no.
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I found this a more interesting quote from the article...
"One reporter asked Landis whether he had ever taken performance-enhancing drugs. 'I'll say no,' Landis said."


That's kind of a weird way to say no.
That got my attention as well. What kind of answer is that?

One reporter asked Landis whether he had ever taken performance-enhancing drugs.

"I'll say no," Landis said. "The problem I have here again is that most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing a lot of people are going to assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself."
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That got my attention as well. What kind of answer is that?

One reporter asked Landis whether he had ever taken performance-enhancing drugs.

"I'll say no," Landis said. "The problem I have here again is that most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing a lot of people are going to assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself."
No kidding. I mean, wouldn't you just say "No." if you hadn't? Can his answers be used against him in court of law, like on Dragnet? Reminds me of "depends on the meaning of is." Maybe he should stop talking now .
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Reminds me of "depends on the meaning of is." Maybe he should stop talking now .
That is exactly what I was telling a friend this morning. It has Clinton/lawers written all over it.
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Those explanations don't make sense from a physiological point of view.
Even the alcohol has to be in very large amounts - more than what he has said he had - to have any effect on the T:E ratio.
And you are....? What do you base your statement on! Please elaborate with research not your gut feeling!
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That is exactly what I was telling a friend this morning. It has Clinton/lawers written all over it.
The full quote is:

"I'll say no. The problem I have here again is that most of the public has an idea about cycling because of the way things have gone in the past. So I'll say no, knowing that a lot of people will assume I'm guilty before I've had a chance to defend myself, but there you have it."

He is just acknowleding the reality that no matter what he says people won't believe it. I think you guys are reading too much into it.
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That is exactly what I was telling a friend this morning. It has Clinton/lawers written all over it.
Or it has frustration, lack of sleep, and uncertainty written all over it. I don't see making an inference from this one phrase - I don't put much validity into armchair psychology.

Not defending the guy, I have no idea if he is guilty or not. Just saying that we won't figure it out from three words.
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Or it has frustration, lack of sleep, and uncertainty written all over it. I don't see making an inference from this one phrase - I don't put much validity into armchair psychology.

Not defending the guy, I have no idea if he is guilty or not. Just saying that we won't figure it out from three words.
I'm sorry, but that is a bizarre way to say no. It sounds like lawyerese.
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I'm sorry, but that is a bizarre way to say no. It sounds like lawyerese.
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It's an intellectual way to say no,it's only bizarre if it's over your head.
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Even Landis' doctor says alcohol is not an explanation:

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10596.0.html

"Landis has been taking cortisone for his deteriorating hip, and thyroid pills for a hypothyroid condition. Neither should affect his T/E ratio, Dr. Kay said. Nor should the much-celebrated beer Landis had after stage 16, or the small amount of Jack Daniels he had with a few teammates in the hotel afterwards."
Now I hear Floyd drank 2 beers and 4 shots of whiskey. That should be enough to change the T/E ratio.

http://www.freakonomics.com/blog/ The Authors of this blog found the info from WSJ.
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It's an intellectual way to say no,it's only bizarre if it's over your head.
You crack me up!
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maybe he said "i'll say no" because he has been taking banned substances for his hip, even though he has permission to take them. therefore he has taken banned substances, but doens't want to say that he has because it will imply that he used them to cheat and not to help his failing hip.

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Okay...Show of hands-

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