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It could be a **** and bull story - in order to arrange an expedient defence.

But indulge me for a second.

Alcohol has been used to mask PED consumption in the past.
Alcohol in urine was used in one case in order to prevent the detection of steroids in the sport of swimming.
It sounds like nothing is going to mask the results of a mass spectrometer. I do not know enough about masking dope use to make even a guess about what the effects of alcohol might be. Maybe it is time to hit some of the sites that explain how to beat employment drug testing.

When I first heard about the whiskey I had the same reaction I had when Hamilton brought up his mystery medical procedure. Hmm, how convenient. I do not believe the story about the whiskey.
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Also, note that after his terrible performance in Stage 16, Landis might have been so disappointed that he really wanted to drink and he wasn't focusing on the possible adverse effects on alcohol on his performance.

While the one or more beers (versus also whisky) question is out there, note that Landis has a history of drinking to an extreme a non-alcoholic drinks (the coffee at a cafe story in Girona, described in one of LA's books, about how Landis and Z indulged in over a dozen coffees and LA had to tell Landis he couldn't do that).


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Also, note that after his terrible performance in Stage 16, Landis might have been so disappointed that he really wanted to drink and he wasn't focusing on the possible adverse effects on alcohol on his performance.

While the one or more beers (versus also whisky) question is out there, note that Landis has a history of drinking to an extreme a non-alcoholic drinks (the coffee at a cafe story in Girona, described in one of LA's books, about how Landis and Z indulged in over a dozen coffees and LA had to tell Landis he couldn't do that).
But drinking after being dehydrated?
It's bizzare.
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But drinking after being dehydrated?
It's bizzare.

Where did Landis or his team say he suffered from dehydration?


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But drinking after being dehydrated?
It's bizzare.
Bizzare? yes
Unexpected of a pro cyclist during a race? certainly
Unbelievable? not at all, not based upon what I've read of him

The guy feasts on cheeseburgers while people around him are weighing their food.

These guys are human above and beyond everything else. Look at JU and ecstasy? Who would have initially thought that a pro cyclist (theoretically constantly maintaining their health) would do a drug known to directly damage your brain with repeated use?

They're people, and as much as we would like to think otherwise sometimes, they do the seemingly crazy things all people are subject to.


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Where did Landis or his team say he suffered from dehydration?
What has a statement by his team have to do with it?

He was clearly dehydrated - he was sweating profusely on stage 16.
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Where did Landis or his team say he suffered from dehydration?
Actually Landis did... according the the interview transcript I read from Larry King. (admittedly I read it here)


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I am not sure the dehydrating effect of alcohol is a very good argument. He would have had fluid dripped into him for hours, so the alcohol would not have made much of a difference.

I cannot reconcile a couple beers and two to four shots of whiskey with preparation for the next day's stage, though. Either he is a raging alcoholic who cannot control his drinking even during a stage race, or it's a **** and bull story.
By drip, do you mean IV post stage 16? if so, he was asked by an American reporter during the first conference call if he had had any IV's before stage 17 and he said no.

It WAS interesting that one of his responses at the press conference was what was his first reaction upon hearing the news of the test result and he laughed it off about 'looking for the bottle'... of course it was a joke.

I cannot imagine that there are a lot of high-performance athletes who are alcoholic. It would seem to get in the way of the high-performance part too much. But I haven't looked into the question.


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Bizzare? yes
Unexpected of a pro cyclist during a race? certainly
Unbelievable? not at all, not based upon what I've read of him

The guy feasts on cheeseburgers while people around him are weighing their food.

These guys are human above and beyond everything else. Look at JU and ecstasy? Who would have initially thought that a pro cyclist (theoretically constantly maintaining their health) would do a drug known to directly damage your brain with repeated use?

They're people, and as much as we would like to think otherwise sometimes, they do the seemingly crazy things all people are subject to.
Fair point.

I have to say I like Landis - he's seems like a nice person and I was hoping that his win would have made relations better in cycling terms after the past few years.

The European press certainly liked him.
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Does severe dehydrated cause you to lie ? Like if you fail a dope test will you claim you're innocent ?


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Why would his team lie? I don't recall USPS and LA lying when he got dehydrated. As a matter of fact

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"sweated profusely" while riding your bike, or running or playing football? Everyone else has.

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Does severe dehydrated cause you to lie ? Like if you fail a dope test will you claim you're innocent ?
Only if you tried to re-hydrate with Jack Daniels.


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Does severe dehydrated cause you to lie ? Like if you fail a dope test will you claim you're innocent ?
Thank you for quoting this info since Limerick decided to delete my post. Why? because it made him look bad.


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Why did you delete this? Was their abuse? Cursing? Lies?
You play the role of the "crass American" very well....


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Actually Landis did... according the the interview transcript I read from Larry King. (admittedly I read it here)

Just reread the transcript he said:

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I was dehydrated at the end and I felt miserable.
I missed that before. Of course we can't believe it...based on prior experience with yellow jersey wearers and dehydration...at least to some on this forum.


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