Another American busted - Page 4

No, it turns out that Basso's lawyer says that it is not the dog's name. This is the same lawyer who does not want Basso to take a DNA test because they are unreliable.

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No. Where the evidence that Americans are being tested more rigorously and dilligently than other nationalities? I would say the opposite is true. We know that U.S. sporting authorities covered up drug use of American track stars.

I think different nations have different cultures, and Americans place a value on winning at all costs.

"Winning is not the most important thing. It is the only thing." -- Vince Lombardy

If you can dope your way to victory, grab the fame and the money, and get away with it then you are a star and your fans do not want to look too closely at how you achieved stardom. Armstrong is a case in point.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

To be more specific, the lawyer credits this information to a two year old.

I will start by saying I have no idea how each country tests their athletes, but I would like to clarify something here about the value Americans place on winning.

Yes, we have a competitive culture, and we like winning. Which countries like losing, by the way? But no, we don't like dopers. Because if you doped, then you didn't win at all. That is antithetical to the very concept of winning. That is why so many (not I) want to believe any and every excuse by Landis or Armstrong. Not because they don't care if their champions doped, but because if they did dope, it means they didn't "win" after all. They cheated, and that's just unbearable, because we want to beat everyone by being the best! And not the best doper . (please no posts about Armstrong never being positive -- I am making a case for what we believe about winning.)

True. He did not say I have talked with Ivan and he told me that Birillo is not the dog's name. He said he overheard the child calling the dog something different. That just seems like an obvious way to mislead without telling an outright lie.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

I know! I laughed when I read his explanation. I think he might have even said he overheard this over the phone. And then something like, "I think the child knows the name of her own dog." At two. Who knows what she was saying? Two year olds speak their own language . No mention of what dad calls the dog. (BTW, we just adopted a dog from the shelter, and we changed her name when we brought her home. I mean, it's a dog. It's not that hard.)

The fact that Montgomery, Kelli White, Christy Gaines etc - all passed dope tests indicates that USADA - while they may have been testing - weren't catching athletes.

BALCO and what has since transpired came about through a commercial dispute. The fallout resulted in the SF newspaper getting the tip off about BALCO.
USADA weren't even aware of THG.
(Not wishing to blame USADA - but like all other national anti-doping agencies, they cannot keep up with the cheaters and their means).

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morelike hypocrisy.

I have no proof of doping testing and neither does anyone else here I just get disgusted hearing "another American got busted".
Don't you mean another athlete got busted?
Too much nationality here!
As far as Basso and Jan all you shade tree attorneys get a clue and yes I know you got your degree watching CSI and whatever, but guess what, it is not even close to reality.
OK, read carefully, you do not take a DNA test for murder if you have not been charged with murder and you do not take a DNA test for doping if you have not been formally charged. This is intelligent tactics not necessiarily evasivness.
Where is Fred C I need some backup.

BTW: Some of you guys are steering me toward nationalism!

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

C'mon in, jhuskey, the water's fine!

I said the same thing - until a charge has been made against JU or IB or anyone else, they're not obliged to give DNA or to lodge a defence of any kind.
Quite simple.
You don't need to watch CSI to know this.
But some here will insist on ...........blah blah.

Hey JH - don't go the nationalist route.
We're all cycling fans here (supposed to be anyhow!).

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

I am a cycling fan true, and try to base my judgement on logic and not emotion. I just try and make a point sometimes.
We are all humans here,well SB may be the exception. Sorry SB I like to give you hell sometimes.....anyway some always steer to "them against us" campaign and this is not always healthy.
Besides,my bike is prettier than everybodies,so there!

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

JH don't forget your redneck roots!

Please also tell me the beer is cold and possibly free. I can get water anywhere.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

No worries, I am headed out to beat the hell out of a yankee tourist after dinner.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

There is always cold beer at my house, because IN AMERICA WE LIKE OUR BEER COLD!!!! WARM EURO BEER SUCKS!!!! Just had to throw in some nationalism .

Before this sounds like I'm hitting on you, (this is the internet after all) the beer is also free, for me at least, because my wonderful husband buys it for me.