Extensive drug dossier on Hamilton and Riis from 2003 - named in Operation Puerto - Page 2

Originally Posted by acpinto

I don´t know.

Lance was is neighbour. LAnce his a good business man. Maybee Lance loaned him the money, and got the interests. That´s why he, when lance felt in 2003, asked everybody to wait for him.

A Mario Puzzo´s story.

Originally Posted by bobke

Many on this forum are defending Jan and Basso and CV saying there are no positive urines and just hearsay faxes. How is this different for Tyler?

Originally Posted by whiteboytrash

Originally Posted by bobke

Where is this diary published and has it been authenticated?
Just a few small questions, right?
Many on this forum are defending Jan and Basso and CV saying there are no positive urines and just hearsay faxes. How is this different for Tyler?

BTW, sice Tyler was making 800,000 euros a year, I dont think he would have to borrow money for anything, except lawyers.

Originally Posted by bobke

Many on this forum are defending Jan and Basso and CV saying there are no positive urines and just hearsay faxes. How is this different for Tyler?

Originally Posted by bobke

Where is this diary published and has it been authenticated?
Just a few small questions, right?
Many on this forum are defending Jan and Basso and CV saying there are no positive urines and just hearsay faxes. How is this different for Tyler?

BTW, sice Tyler was making 800,000 euros a year, I dont think he would have to borrow money for anything, except lawyers.

Originally Posted by nns1400

Are you saying you missed that article yesterday on Hamilton and how innocent he still is? It is an amazing piece of investigative journalism...um, I mean, crap. The title is great, though! Isn't bottling his competitive juices what got him in trouble in the first place .

Jim Fennell: Hamilton resumes long climb back to the top (New Hampshire Union Leader)
Tyler Hamilton had been waiting a year to release the competitive juices forcibly bottled up because of what he claims is a flawed system.

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rs...12-057546723990

Originally Posted by JohnO

The most amazing thing about that story was the 2nd place finisher - 51 years old! I'm inspired now.

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

I never use the word "cheat" when it comes to doping in cycling because I think doping is so prevalent that it is not a fair description of what the people who happen to get caught are doing, so I will not call Armstrong or Ullrich cheaters.

Originally Posted by bobke

Where is this diary published and has it been authenticated?
Just a few small questions, right?
Many on this forum are defending Jan and Basso and CV saying there are no positive urines and just hearsay faxes. How is this different for Tyler?

BTW, sice Tyler was making 800,000 euros a year, I dont think he would have to borrow money for anything, except lawyers.

Originally Posted by limerickman

Hamilton failed a blood test.
That's how it's different.

Originally Posted by bobke

The title of this thread is about the alleged dossier on Hamilton in 2003, and my question is regards people saying they spoke to Jan's brother and everything will be fine, how is the Hamilton dossier different and any opinions how Hamiltons alleged dossier is being so openly published and stuff on Jan and Basso is evaporating?

Originally Posted by Dead Star

and here's a translation from that article by a dane on another forum:


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I present to you, Tyler Hamilton's 2003 in doping: Well it started in 2002 actually where he 12 times took EPO, from the 21st of December to the 8th of January (conveniently enough having a break at the 25th and the 31st, even riders have holidays). The quantities vary through the calendar, it's either 1000 or 2000, those in the start of the year were 2000.
At the 14th of January he had his blood tapped for the first time, he then had a 10 day break before starting on a combined treatment of anabolic steroids and EPO, taking anabolic steroids every day from the 24th to the 31st, and taking EPO 3 times during period. From the 2nd of February to the 8th, he took EPO every 3rd day (quantity 2000).
A new period again started off by first tapping blood, then getting he old blood reinserted and then taking both EPO and anabolic steroids, all in the same day. He continued the treatment with EPO and anabolic steroids every day for 12 days, throwing in a blood analysis too.
To prepare for Paris - Nice he begun taking Gonadotropines (A term for hormones that among other things increase your testosterone production), and a little shot of Epocrin (Russian EPO). This treatment stopped two days before the start of P-N; he also had his blood reinserted at that date.
Hamilton won the mountain jersey in the race, but otherwise didn't make that much of a mark. The day after the race he had his blood tapped twice, a shot of growth hormone and some EPO.
The next period saw a treatment of EPO, growth hormone and insulin; he took it every other day up till the start of Criterium International, still taking growth hormone during the race. After the race e continued with growth hormones and insulin, also taking a day of taking and reinserting blood, just three days from the start of Pais Vasco.
The first day of the race was marked off with a shot of growth hormone, and also ended with a shot of growth hormone. He finished second to Iban Mayo, but most were of the perception that he didn’t go 100% in the final rain wet TT, and therefore lost the race there. The next days he continued with the growth hormone and got his first blood doping too. He rode Fleche Wallone, but finished only 14th. This started a period with no doping for 13 days, but with plenty of success on the road as he both won Liege – Bastogne – Liege and Tour de Romandie.
The day after his Tour de Romandie victory was celebrated with the ritual tapping of blood, and then the following days a massive EPO cure; from the 6th of May to the 22nd he took EPO and anabolic steroids almost every day. And then gradually slowing down his intake of EPO, till the 2nd of June where he got his blood tapped and reinserted, he subsequently got some growth hormone the 3rd and the 5th, exactly a month before the Tour.
He rode Dauphine Libere without taking anything, but finished the race with the usual tapping and reinserting of blood. The finish of the race also marked the start of the final preparations for the Tour. Setting off with growth hormone and then gradually taking some Epocrin and Insulin Growth Hormone(IGH). His last intake of IGH was at the 1st of July, a mere 4 days before the start of the Tour. At the 2nd of June he got his blood tapped twice and got 3 reinsertions of blood, he also got one on the 3rd, the same day he got tested by the Tour de France management. His two blood insertions during the Tour were at the 11th, the day before the first Alp stage and at the 17th the day before the first big TT. Hamilton won the 16th stage, the 23rd of July and finished 4th in the race, despite a broken collarbone.

Bjarne Riis has of course denied knowing about this, although Hamilton among other things got two blood insertions during the Tour. A very complicated thing to do, and impossible to do alone, according to a doping expert it would take at least 4-5 people.

If you wanna see for yourself, this is the calendar. E is blood tapping. R is blood insertion. A is analisys. A dot is EPO(quantity 1000), a dot with a circle round it is EPO(quantity 2000). A circle is anabolic steroids. A circle with a dot and an arrow in it is Epocrin. A * is growth hormone. IG is insulin growth hormone. HM is gonadotropines. I-G is insulin. C is control, made by the Tour de France management.

Originally Posted by davidbod

The simple answer to thst is "hypocrisy reigns supreme".

I have one question. Why does the initial post claim that Tyler failed an EPO test?

Originally Posted by jonjungel

There's been some of doping trouble around Riis lately.
If one assumes Riis is guilty of something, why would he allow that documentary to be made in the first half of 2004...? If he organised doping activities in the team, or just knew that some team riders were doping, having lots of strangers follow you around with cameras would be a huge security risk.