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Sort of reminds me of Jimmy Swaggart crying... about the same level of sincerity, too.


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Yeah, but he cried, man. That means something in my book. He cried hard too. He was like, "I'm a doper... boo ******' hoo!" And I was all, "Man, you gotta let the nigga back in the peloton if he's crying up in his own press confrence." And Lance was like, "If they ever catch me, I'm crying too."

Then I axed him, "Caught for what? I thought you didn't do that ****?" And he was all, "Hummm, ahhh... get caught picking my nose." And then I was all, "Of course. No one wants to get caught with their finger up their nose scatching for golden nuggets."

My momma used to say, "Go on, Martin. Pick a winner," and I'd be like, "F-you momma!" Oh, daddy'd whip the tar out of me.
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He tested positive for the stamina-enhancing drug EPO in September 2004 and received a two year ban from the sport.
Hamilton didn't test positive for EPO.

His suspension was for a homologous blood transfusion.
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Hell, I'd juice up on EPO for that sort of payoff.
So what are we all getting indignant about then.
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Virenque admitted his drug use. I don't think you'll see Landis do the same. It seems he's sticking to the Hamilton model: Deny, deny, deny and those nitwits left believing are you fan base.
Come on! Virenque really had no choice. He was using the Hamilton denial model until a number of wittnesses gave evidence against him. I think that's the way it happened wasn't it. And as such, he deserves absolutely no credit for coming clean.

Wasn't he almost bragging about his cycling superiority before the scandals broke. And then, man tears always win over the female sporting public in the end. Good move.

Virenque is a weasel.
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Virenque only came clean when he was threatened with criminal charges... it took him two years to finally come clean... he even wrote an autobiography called "my truth" in which he denied ever using drugs in almost all of the 282 pages... ! Strange.... goes to show you can't believe these guys...



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Come on! There's a huge difference between Virenque and Hamilton.

Virenque really had no choice. He was using the Hamilton denial model until a number of wittnesses gave evidence against him. I think that's the way it happened wasn't it.

Wasn't he almost bragging about his physical superiority before the scandals broke. And then man tears always win over the female sporting public in the end. Virenque is a weasel.
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Virenque only came clean when he was threatened with criminal charges... it took him two years to finally come clean... he even wrote an autobiography called "my truth" in which he denied ever using drugs in almost all of the 282 pages... ! Strange.... goes to show you can't believe these guys...
OK thanks. So the admission came when he was scheduled to testify or stand trial?

I really need to get a copy of Willy Voet's book.
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OK thanks. So the admission came when he was scheduled to testify or stand trial?

I really need to get a copy of Willy Voet's book.
Yes there was a French sporting/government inquiry into the Festina affair and the end result was to bring charges against Virenque. He denied for three days straight at the inquiry and Wily Voet sat in the same room and everyday shook his head at Virenque. In effect Virenque was suggesting that if he had taken drugs he didn't know about it and Voet must have administered to him without him knowing. On the forth day Virenque under pressure of being charged with 5 different counts of sporting fraud, trafficking and causing medical harm to others (which all carried prison sentences) broke down (again), cried and confessed that he knowingly took EPO amongst other drugs. When he left the courtroom that day he hugged Willy Voet and cried (again) and told him he was sorry.... Willy forgave him…



Get the Willy book… “breaking the chain”… very good….when you read it you’ll realize just how simple it is to dope and how the UCI were turning a blind eye to doping through the 90’s…….
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One day after the initial report by Danish Politiken, Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws has published details of the alleged "doping diary" of Tyler Hamilton, found among the papers of Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes.

According to the Belgian media, Hamilton's doping practices in 2003, when he won both Liège-Bastogne-Liège and the Tour de Romandie as well as a stage in the Tour de France despite a collarbone fracture, were extensive and cost him a total of 43,040 Euros.

The paper cites information according to which the then-CSC rider used EPO 30 times between December 2002 and February 2003, as well as anabolic steroids. In the beginning of March 2003, Hamilton allegedly used a pregnancy hormone to cover up the traces of the cure. Two blood transfusions are reported to have been administered to his body two days prior to Paris-Nice, where Hamilton won the mountains jersey.

In April, the American is thought to have used growth hormone and insulin to promote muscle growth. After the Tour de Romandie, the paper claims to have evidence that he transfused three bags of blood (a total of 1.35 litres), returned to normal blood levels with the help of EPO, and re-injected two bags of blood six days before the start of the Dauphiné Libéré.

Another growth hormone cure came after the race according to the media, as well as several blood transfusions in the count down to the Tour de France. The information gathered even points at a blood transfusion on the day of the medical control at the start of the Grand Tour, and twice during the race.
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...the paper claims to have evidence that he transfused three bags of blood (a total of 1.35 litres)...
Are you meaning that he take off is body 3 bags, is this safe? i know that sometimes when i give blood i would be very weak and it´s only 1 bag
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OK thanks. So the admission came when he was scheduled to testify or stand trial?

I really need to get a copy of Willy Voet's book.
It's a very good read - if nothing else.

I know some people have reservations about Voet's writing that book.
Set aside that.
I'd strongly recommend you get the book if you can - the story of Virenque and the placebo effect at the world championships (1996, I think) is really interesting.
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morelike hypocrisy.
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- the story of Virenque and the placebo effect at the world championships (1996, I think) is really interesting.
Interesting ? I'd say more funny than interesting and showed how stupid Richard was sometimes.... he would believe anything if he thought it would make him look good....
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One further point.... with all the information being released about Hamilton do we ever wonder where it comes from ? i.e. who is making the leaks ? I get the feeling the UCI is leaking the stories on Hamilton to obscure newspapers in Europe as payback for Hamilton's constant denials... you don't see the same leaks about Heres who has been a lot quieter than Hamilton.....
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Interesting ? I'd say more funny than interesting and showed how stupid Richard was sometimes.... he would believe anything if he thought it would make him look good....
Agreed.

But it gave Voet the credence to suggest that riders feel that if they have dope in their system that they will go faster.
I thought it was an interesting anecdote.
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Come on! Virenque really had no choice. He was using the Hamilton denial model until a number of wittnesses gave evidence against him. I think that's the way it happened wasn't it. And as such, he deserves absolutely no credit for coming clean.

Wasn't he almost bragging about his cycling superiority before the scandals broke. And then, man tears always win over the female sporting public in the end. Good move.

Virenque is a weasel.
As a member of the female sporting public, may I say that a crying Frenchman is not appealing!
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One day after the initial report by Danish Politiken, Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws has published details of the alleged "doping diary" of Tyler Hamilton, found among the papers of Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes.

According to the Belgian media, Hamilton's doping practices in 2003, when he won both Liège-Bastogne-Liège and the Tour de Romandie as well as a stage in the Tour de France despite a collarbone fracture, were extensive and cost him a total of 43,040 Euros.

The paper cites information according to which the then-CSC rider used EPO 30 times between December 2002 and February 2003, as well as anabolic steroids. In the beginning of March 2003, Hamilton allegedly used a pregnancy hormone to cover up the traces of the cure. Two blood transfusions are reported to have been administered to his body two days prior to Paris-Nice, where Hamilton won the mountains jersey.

In April, the American is thought to have used growth hormone and insulin to promote muscle growth. After the Tour de Romandie, the paper claims to have evidence that he transfused three bags of blood (a total of 1.35 litres), returned to normal blood levels with the help of EPO, and re-injected two bags of blood six days before the start of the Dauphiné Libéré.

Another growth hormone cure came after the race according to the media, as well as several blood transfusions in the count down to the Tour de France. The information gathered even points at a blood transfusion on the day of the medical control at the start of the Grand Tour, and twice during the race.
This stuff is sickening. It sounds like they'll do absolutely anything! Pregnancy hormone? It will be interesting to see what happens to the health of people like Tyler in the future. I can't believe any woman would have kids with these guys. Talk about a contaminated specimen....
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