Jan juicin' since 2003 - Page 2

Exactly. Funny how that works on here.

Diference:

here in the forum someone say that LA used PED. Some how the messages we see in his defence apear allways the same old excuses.
-never failed a dopping test.
-he had cancer
-he trained hard so he didn´t had to use PED
-the french are against him.

Someone say that JU used PED. Do you hear someone saying he didn´t used?

This is funny...

Good call.

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Keepin it real, son.

The difference is that Armstrong's explanation for his "improvement" in results (pre 1996 compared to post -1996) was always disputed.

As early as March 1999, journalists (rightly) were raising questions about Armstrong's "improvement".
Former riders, former team mates, and eventually the tests showed that Armstrong doped.
Writing his books and stating that he never, ever took PED's didn't help Armstrong either.

If he had kept his mouth shut - he might have managed to get away with it.

Time to move the subject on, folks.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Yep. And he didn't get away with it. If it's all down to dope, we now know the reason for both LA's and JU's success in the sport.

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Rebellion with no point or purpose is worse than conformity.

Whats even funnier is that Armstrong says he was clean... we know Zulle doped, Virenque doped, Pantaini doped, Ullrich doped, Basso doped, Beloki doped, and today we know Vino doped so this means that Armstrong was clean and won his Tour'a by 30 minutes from the next guy who didn't dope ? Come on ?!

His he involved in OP?

Yes he was one of those originally suspended.

I think he has just been cleared by Spanish authorities along with other Spanish riders. If thats true, why is he not riding the Vuelta for Astana?

Didn´t agree getting up sooner...if needed.

No. Azevedo in 2004 was less than 10 minutes ( i think ).

Being a Disco rider i´m sure he didn´t dope ( not on my watch )

I suspect Armstrong used, but publically I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. However, if he used, he was greedy. Seven Tours? For people who believed him a doper, seven years of doping to Tour victories is hard to bare. If he doped, he made a sham of one of sport's greatest events.

I wonder how Landis feels? The first Tour champion caught doping during the race. I guess there was one other guy who admitted to cheating, but he was cutting the course.

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"Bait in 08" --nns1400

There are plenty of people who misunderstood the contents of the letter that the Spanish authorities sent to the riders involved in OP. They said that no legal action would be taken against them, but that does NOT mean that they did not dope.

PS. For those of you who still like Jan and admire his achievements, here is the link to the place where he partied on Saturday after the wedding ceremony at Saint Nicholas Church at Lech, Austria:

http://www.rud-alpe.at/flash5.html

So you finally got tired of men......... good for you. see women aren't as bad as you thought.

F1,F2 ,F3 where is that FU button. You get the message!!

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

Do you have problems? You sound rather bizarre.