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Inotherwords, it is Operation Puerto, Ivan Basso, Lance Pharmstrong's SCA leaked testimony, Frankie Andreu's confession, LA Confidential and Floyd Landis verified Tour de France doping.

I agree with Discovery. They finally 'discovered' the truth.
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I think they will find another big sponsor. Actually I am pretty sure they will. I don't think it will be the end of Tailwind.

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Hysteria and conspiracy theories aside, this is another indication the fallout from the doping scandals. Discovery was at best a marginal sponsor. The sport got a big boost from Armstrong, but when he went, the interest waned and the doping scandals started. It was a change in leadership at Discovery that directly led to this, but if cycling wasn't in the dumps right now, they might have stuck with it.

The fact that Disco had a weak year in 2006 didn't help matters any. Well, it was fun having a big league cycling team based here in the US.

Given the current situation, that's probably the end of Tailwind. Doubt they'll find another US sponsor willing to put up that sort of money for a sport that's being ridiculed right now.
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Given the current situation, that's probably the end of Tailwind. Doubt they'll find another US sponsor willing to put up that sort of money for a sport that's being ridiculed right now.
No way. They have been positioning themselves as more of a european team. They dumped almost all the americans. They just need a big sponsor, probably european, who is willing to overlook their obvious dope use. Since nearly all the sponsors in the sport are willing to look the other way when it comes to drugs, I don't think they will have much of a problem finding backers.
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I believe Puerto,911,Iraq and the Discovery pullout are are connected. It's a conspiracy man. Everything is hinged on doping!
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I believe Puerto,911,Iraq and the Discovery pullout are are connected. It's a conspiracy man. Everything is hinged on doping!
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...maybe Shazza had somefink to do with it ?

Sheryl Crow was spotted with ex-fiance Lance Armstrong in Solvang, California recently at a restaurant they used to frequent. According to Star magazine, they stayed at the Royal Scandinavian Inn but were in separate rooms. Another source said that Crow was visiting members of her ex's former cycling team, and that Lance just "happened" to be there too. Armstrong's rep told Extra, "Lance and Sheryl remain friends, but there is no truth to the rumor that they are getting back together."

Crow will headline the Bob Costas Benefit for Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center in St. Louis on April 28th.

Crow and Armstrong broke up in January 2006.
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...maybe Shazza had somefink to do with it ?

Sheryl Crow was spotted with ex-fiance Lance Armstrong in Solvang, California recently at a restaurant they used to frequent. According to Star magazine, they stayed at the Royal Scandinavian Inn but were in separate rooms. Another source said that Crow was visiting members of her ex's former cycling team, and that Lance just "happened" to be there too. Armstrong's rep told Extra, "Lance and Sheryl remain friends, but there is no truth to the rumor that they are getting back together."

Crow will headline the Bob Costas Benefit for Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center in St. Louis on April 28th.

Crow and Armstrong broke up in January 2006.

Or could be that sponsors come and go,could be that Americans passive interest in cycling fell dramatically with the retirement of Armstrong shown by the poor rating of the last Tour de France.
To us it is a passion to others just a business venture.
As I have said before without the likes of riders like Armstrong,Basso Ullrich the Grand Tours ain't so grand.
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As I have said before without the likes of riders like Armstrong,Basso Ullrich the Grand Tours ain't so grand.
This is so true......I'm currently sitting here watching the PGA golf tournament, and w/o Tiger it just is not the same.Personalities make the sport. The riders make the Tour de France what it is.......
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Or could be that sponsors come and go,could be that Americans passive interest in cycling fell dramatically with the retirement of Armstrong shown by the poor rating of the last Tour de France.
To us it is a passion to others just a business venture.
As I have said before without the likes of riders like Armstrong,Basso Ullrich the Grand Tours ain't so grand.
While it may have waned with LA's retirement, the Landis affair really put the nail in the coffin for US interest in pro cycling.

Too bad. If it hadn't been for Puerto, he might have finished third or fourth, and interest in the US would have gone back up.

Then again, if it hadn't been for the actions that prompted Puerto, the GC might have looked quite different.

Have to agree, though. We need some more serious rivalries, and a flamboyant firebrand like Pantani, or an outrageous showboat like Cippolini. Doped or not, the Armstrong-Pantani-Ullrich duels were exciting to watch.

To hell with the doping. If they don't care, why should we? For the sort of money they make, having their health and longevity threatened shouldn't be that big a deal.
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I am enjoying the anti-doping charade T-Mobile is promoting.

They have Michael Barry and all the riders trumpeting its effectiveness-----as if they would have any idea whatsoever, even if it were true.

Which it is not.

T-Mobile will dope to the gills as always---by will pretest the star riders for 100% control over levels.

hGH, blood transfusion, insulin, Interleukin, testsoterone are all off-the WADA/UCI testing table, with or without T-Mobile medical committee.

They are a joke. More silly pretext.
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DC's decision is not related to Puerto. The head of the sponsors and of five main TV stations were fired from their jobs. So it is obvious that the decision is not turning on Puerto, but on a change in leadership at the sponsor.
Well, we really don't know why the new CEO made the decision, but like Wolf said, if I were a sponsor, I look some place to put my advertising dollars. Pro cycling right now is too risky, unless you're talking about N. America.
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Given the current situation, that's probably the end of Tailwind. Doubt they'll find another US sponsor willing to put up that sort of money for a sport that's being ridiculed right now.
Seems like they could land a sponsor outside the US, right? I mean, I don't think it's the end of Tailwind, but maybe the end of US companies involvement with the sport on the Lance Armstrong level. It's been a great run. When you look back to when this team first got into the game with 7-Eleven, then Motorola, USP, Disco... it's the end of an era in some respects.

You know, it's funny, because a lot of people said that Armstrong was going to boost cycling's profile in the US, and he did for a while. But I think in the end he is some what responsible sport's current state and so the thing many said he would raise seems to be imploding because of it.

Armstrong, I believe, played a huge role in the UCI stepping up it's doping controls. The idea that one guy could dominate the marque event for the better part of a decade probably didn't sit to well with many in the UCI. How could you blame them?
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Armstrong, I believe, played a huge role in the UCI stepping up it's doping controls.
Huh? What dope controls. What 'step-up?'

Only a renewed emphasis on denial and pretext.

After Festina the IOC invented WADA and put a tax attorney at the head (**** Pound). As if evasion of taxes qualifies someone on anti-cheating.

It is all a big act.

Nobody is controlling the doping except the teams, riders and their vets.

They do not even test for testosterone--unless you overdose the T/E ratio.
Insulin, hGH, IGF, blood doping, EPO micro dosing all is ALLOWED in sports.

No stepped up controls whatsoever at UCI or WADA. NONE!

PDM scandal
Festina confessions
TVM confessions
Cofidis scandal
Mapei scandal
Liquigas scandal
USPO scandal
Phonak scandal
Johan Museeuw, Floyd landis, Marco Pantani's death, Frank Vandenbrouke, Tyler Hamilton, Frankie Andreu, Oscar Camizend, Jose Gutierez, Jan Ulrich, Ivan Basso......

Nothing ever changes. The doping is here to stay. No dope, no sport.
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...this strikes me as yet another casualty of the riders' refusal to promote the transparency of testing. ulle and basso both have legal claim to refusing to allow d.n.a. testing of their blood against o.p. samples. landis has legal ground to refuse further testing of his "b" samples for exogenous testosterone. but their refusals do not promote their innocence but come across as having something to hide. i am somewhat pollyanna-ish in hoping that their tests would vindicate their innocence, but i know that their refusals for "independent" testing/comparison is a dodge. they hope to hang their slight claims to innocence on these technicalities...
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All the so-called DNA testing in the world WON"T stop IVs and injections of


testosterone
hCG
hGH
eGH
insulin
Salbutamol inhalation
amphetamines
corticosteroids
research science

DNA = did not answer
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