From Lance to Landis: Inside the American Doping Controversy at the Tour de France (H - Page 2

It was front page news, stupid.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

This has been shown to be a cover story by Armstrong to explain his radical increase in performance. Dr. Coyle's data shows that Armstrong's Tour weight from the early 90s to the end of his career only varied by 1 - 2 kilos. Armstrong's 2005 weight was 75 kilos, which is more than he weighed in some of the early 90s Tours.

I know all about Bleomycin (note the correct spelling)...

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Oh L'Equipe.....that bastion of righteous journalism....well forget everything i said it must be true.

Calling people stupid is immature, by all means if you have counter argument lets hear it....thats what forums are for.

I know all about Bleomycen (note the correct spelling)...
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"I'm completely f***ed up. Even the speed of the bus was almost too fast for me." -- Gert Steegmans

Oh now we are getting petty.....perhaps i should trawl your posts for slight grammer mistakes.

I don't think anyone including yourself has ever believed everything on the front page of a tabloid newspaper....and of course L'equipe were in full knowledge of the facts at the time, and they weren't just sensationalising a story.

The bottom line is... at this stage arguments on whether Lance took drugs or not are pure conjecture....until he confesses or evidence is found that has not currently been found.....the record will stand , he won 7 Tour de France's in a row. Only the two points i have just made will ever change that.

Yup, L'Equipe, a very respected newspaper that was able to uncover the Armstrong EPO positives with some crack investigative reporting. The information was then carried all over the world. You would know this if you had been following the sport for more than a month.

Okay, cheap shot, but you left a hole you could drive a truck through. You are the one that started blathering about how there is no evidence Armstrong doped (completely uninformed), claiming the fact that Armstrong tested positive for EPO is just a Internet rumor (Have you been living under a rock?), and then topped it off with some sort of sympathy play because you had cancer (as if that makes you an expert in doping in cycling, a sport that you obviously don't follow).

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Ok i don't want to go on with this back and forth on a forum...i'll give you my phone number and we can argue over the phone instead

Seriously though if and when concrete evidence arises that he can be convicted for, i will be the the first person to say you were right and i was wrong...but until...............................

You are right.
I remember from Flo-Jo, Ben Johnson, Riis, Chiappucci, Berzin, ...

He was also the first to employ ultra-high cadence!

Don't forget Hamilton, Landis, Ugramov, Tonkov, Bugno, and Rumsas. All those guys were late bloomers.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

such cynicism.......guilty until proven innocent.....glad you guys aren't members of the legal system

You make a mistake, we aren't the legal system, so the vox populi can point some problems despite that cannot be been resolved by legal system.

ok ok...you guys have a set train of thought, i'm not here to convince anyone of my way of thinking.......most people here think most of the peloton was doped.....proof or not.....so whats the problem....If everyone was doped then Lance still wins anyway....

Its like if everyone cheated and had a small electric motor on their bike....someone has to win.....someone has to better than everyone else.

So what if Lance was doped and responded better than say Ullrich??, thats life.....the only thing it could be is better training, better diet, better genes....less drag on his skin suit, less drag on the crank bearings you could go on and on either way he won. Again give me the concrete proof and the discussion is over, you guys win.

Good propaganda for uneducated people, you forgot "harder training and works than others", but the most probale reasons are only the best and more expensive doctor, the best and more expensive PEDs.
And I don't forget the best lies!

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I believe having only one testicle caused less drag and also was less intrusive therefore allowing a higher cadence.

This theory is illustrated in the chart below.

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

You have to realize who you are discussing this with. People like Bro Deal have such a hate-on for LA that they will ignore anything (like lack of chain of custody) to be able to claim LA is guilty because it's an obsession of hate for them. If God came down and told everyone that LA was clean these guys would be claiming God doesn't really know. Don't even easte your time with people like him. Poulidor, though will actually attempt to discuss things in an intelligent manner...even if he is misguided.