Think anyone not on drugs can beat someone on drugs in 3-week race? Read this - Page 2

No joke: NOTHING beats simply exercising, eating well and trying to stay unstressed. You'll live a lot longer, healthier and happier. There are no quick fixes. ALL quick fixes are like Microsoft patches - they fix one thing and break another.

Yeah, it's a weird world - the doping world.

What is really worrying and which I will never undertsand is how anyone could ingest products like EPO/HGH or bovine whatever.

The fact of the matter is that anyone ingesting this stuff is not only cheating but they're playing russian-roulette with their future health.

Let's face it, these so called "doctors" are using product in a non-clinical method.
Using products which were created to treat medical conditions, as performance enhancers in healthy athletes is diceing with all sorts of outcomes.

Michele Ferrari or whoever, won't end up being liable when these guys health is destroyed.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

No more confusing than how people can clog their arteries with McDonalds or take recreational drugs or drink alcohol or any number of things humans do to ruin their health/lives.

.........this is outside of a sporting capacity.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

For what it is worth:

I was told by a teammate of a Nike icon----that modern sport is a life sciences research platform for the drug industry.

No clinical fees, legal liabilities, filings or restraints.

Just pure science on humans free from morals, ethics or guilt trips. How else can you explain cow blood allegations (Hemopure) inside a Sidi shoe box????

Unlike animal research (mice, dogs, lemon beagles, rabbits) these human athletes volunteer for free drugs and testing.

Creeps like Conconi, Ferrari, Santuccione, Lazzaro & Cecchini must have many scientists pimping new drugs for their athlete clients

I remember seeing some video footage of the USP team in their hotel rooms after a 100+ mile stage in the middle of the Tour and these guys were bouncing off the walls. Hamilton was pushing someone so he could flex his biceps for the camera.

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"Bait in 08" --nns1400

Always keep in mind that not everyone responds the same to the different drugs. Some guys take mind boggling doses of drugs and get little gain. Others make spectacular gains. In the end, if you dont have good genetics, rest, diet, and proper training you will not reach your full potential. Once again, I think all the contenders have taken something. Much like us, the clean riders are likely watching the tour on versus.

Google it. It's expensive but available on the internet. Side effects are pretty minimal and the benefits stay after the HGH has gone. I've never used it.

Dollar for dollar, the cadilac of "performance enhancers" for the general population of weekend warriors is testosterone. It contributes in increasing HGH production.

Check the doping forum. By day's end I'll post a "how to" for testosterone use. Of course, I've never used it before and all the information is for entertainment purposes only.

It is nice being able to come home from a 70-mile group hammerfest and still have enough energy to go snorkeling for lobster with my wife, who is 10 years my junior and has her own, eh, needs as well.

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"Bait in 08" --nns1400

All true, but the guys you're talking about are body builders and nut jobs running dosages 10-fold what any weekend warrior would run.

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"Bait in 08" --nns1400

helmutRoole2 - Dude that is an awsome avitar!


For full benefits of HCG high doses are usually neccessary. The problem is if you take it long enough you will end up needing to take it long term. Financially at least 2K per month. Of course we havent even talked about synthroid or insulin.

I have read this and it's likely true. Doc, aside from distended gut, what are the other health consequences relating to running HGH six months/year?

And what dosages would your recommend.

My knowledge in this area is limited because of the costs involved.

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"Bait in 08" --nns1400

I mentioned some of them: people get weird bone growths. Look at Barry Bonds' head for example. Others get elbows that jut out (which not only look weird but make fully extending their arms impossible). Advice: don't play with this crap.

Did everyone read the article? Did it change your mind or just confirm it or...?

I believe most of the negative side-effects come with extended and heavy use. One of the more interesting neg effect is the gapping of the front teeth you can find in the bodybuilding profession. I'd just like a minimal dose here and there to give a little benefit.