List the people in the 2007 TDF that you think doped

Just curious to see what this forum thinks. For me:

Contador
Rasmussen

all 191 riders used:

anabolic steroids (testosterone, insulin, hGH)
cortisone-based steroids
asthma inhalation steroids
EPO
Saline feeds

Some also used
IGF-1
Pot Belge
Prozac
Viagra
caffeine suppositories

and the GC riders added:
blood transfsuions of cow or human blood
Interleukins
RSR-13
C.E.R.A from Roche

Thanks for asking.

insulin and HGH are neither anabolic nor steroids but i get your drift.

for the dopers, i think vino prolly did.

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i think all of the professional riders dope to some degree. the list of substances written by doc is so horrific to even fathom. it makes me sad. yet one cannot be naive and simply attack the messenger. that being said, i hate that some athletes resort to such abuse. i really trully hate it. but i love the sport. so i am a hypocite for still supporting it knowing that in the back of my mind some of these atheletes are resorting to such duplicitious means. it is truly deviant and all the while the major sponsors are profitting. the riders are merely the pawns in this game.

so based on the premise that all dope to some degree, what really annoys me is that the testing standards are incredibly discriminatory. why should some riders be singled out while others get a free pass? why are some riders not tested out of competition for three seasons while others get tested five times in one week, or fourteen times out of competition in one season? until there is some sort of standardization the entire ruse of testing is hypocritical. it is a joke. so until there is reform, if these teams and riders want to abuse themselves, then let them all ride. unfortunately, as other astute posters have already mentioned in other threads, it all comes down to a money issue. and isnt that one of the universal truths... that money is the root to all evils.

Untrue Saint Andrew:

Insulin is anabolic as all hell (that's why it is MUST HAVE gear)

hGH or eHG is super glue for fast regenerations. Very anabolic peptide hormones.

It is very apparent to me--that besides all the riders being on powerful drugs, the event is largely fixed too.

1998 was fixed by having 40% of the field abandon or be arrested

1999-2005 were fixed for Pharmstrong (nobody was drug busted)

2006 appeared fixed with the Roid Landis miracle comeback and excluding Ulrich, Basso.

2007 was again fixed for Team Discovery by throwing out Kloden, Rasmussen.
and team Cofidis and Astana.

These fixed results should not be applauded.

It was complete BS.

meh i'm hung over as ****. i mean to say they aren't anabolic-androgenic steroids.

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Thinking and knowing are 2 different things, but you must really like to gossip

Nobody was doped. They did it all with power meters and high cadence.

A better question may be which team had organized doping programs. My votes are:


Quick-Step
Discovery
Lampre
Liquigas
Astana
Caisse DeParne

1. Fabian Cancellara (Swi), CSC, 7.9km in 8:50 (53.7kph),
2. Andreas Klöden (G), Astana, at 0:13
3. George Hincapie (USA), Discovery Channel, at 0:23
4. Bradley Wiggins (GB), Cofidis, at 0:23
5. Vladimir Gusev (Rus), Discovery Channel, at 0:25
6. Vladimir Karpets (Rus), Caisse d'Epargne, at 0:26
7. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kz), Astana, at 0:30
8. Thomas Dekker (Nl), Rabobank, at 0:31
9. Manuel Quinziato (I), Liquigas, at 0:32
10. Benoît Vaugrenard (F), Française des Jeux, at 0:32
11. David Zabriskie (USA), CSC, at 0:32
12. José Ivan Gutierrez Palacios (Sp), Caisse d'Epargne, at 0:33
13. David Millar (GB), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 0:33
14. Mikel Astarloza Chaurreau (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 0:33
15. Alberto Contador Velasco (Sp), Discovery Channel, at 0:35
16. Andrey Kashechkin (Kz), Astana, at 0:35
17. Cadel Evans (Aus), Predictor-Lotto, at 0:36
18. William Bonnet (F), Crédit Agricole, at 0:36
19. Sylvain Chavanel (F), Cofidis, at 0:36
20. Michael Rogers (Aus), T-Mobile, at 0:37
21. Oscar Pereiro Sio (Sp), Caisse d'Epargne, at 0:37
22. Linus Gerdemann (G), T-Mobile, at 0:38
23. Paolo Savoldelli (I), Astana, at 0:38
24. Sébastien Rosseler (B), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 0:39
25. Rik Verbrugghe (B), Cofidis, at
26. Levi Leipheimer (USA), Discovery Channel, at 0:40
27. Denis Menchov (Rus), Rabobank, at 0:40
28. Thor Hushovd (N), Crédit Agricole, at 0:41
29. Tomas Vaitkus (Ltu), Discovery Channel, at 0:42
30. Filippo Pozzato (I), Liquigas, at 0:43
31. Markus Fothen (G), Gerolsteiner, at 0:43
32. Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Sp), Caisse d'Epargne, at 0:43
33. Daniele Bennati (I), Lampre-Fondital, at 0:43
34. Antonio Colom Mas (Sp), Astana, at 0:43
35. Andry Grivko (Ukr), Milram, at 0:43
36. Bernhard Kohl (A), Gerolsteiner, at 0:44
37. Sergio Miguel Moreira Paulinho (P), Discovery Channel, at 0:44
38. Stefan Schumacher (G), Gerolsteiner, at 0:45
39. Cristian Moreni (I), Cofidis, at 0:45
40. Ronny Scholz (G), Gerolsteiner, at 0:45
41. Tom Boonen (B), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 0:46
42. Brett Lancaster (Aus), Milram, at 0:46
43. Philippe Gilbert (B), Française des Jeux, at 0:46
44. Laurent Lefevre (F), Bouygues Telecom, at 0:46
45. Geraint Thomas (GB), Barloworld, at 0:47
46. Stef Clement (Nl), Bouygues Telecom, at 0:47
47. Carlos Barredo Llamazales (Sp), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 0:47
48. Egoi Martinez De Esteban (Sp), Discovery Channel, at 0:47
49. Maxim Iglinskiy (Kz), Astana, at 0:48
50. Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr), Discovery Channel, at 0:48
51. Thomas Lövkvist (S), Française des Jeux, at 0:48
51. Matthieu Sprick (F), Bouygues Telecom, at 0:48
53. Kim Kirchen (Lux), T-Mobile, at 0:48
54. Jens Voigt (G), CSC, at 0:48
55. Ruben Perez Moreno (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 0:48
56. Christophe Moreau (F), AG2r Prévoyance, at 0:49
57. Nicolas Jalabert (F), Agritubel, at 0:49
58. Nick Nuyens (B), Cofidis, at 0:49
59. Juan Manuel Garate (Sp), Quick Step-Innergetic 0:49
60. Erik Zabel (G), Milram, at 0:50
61. Sven Krauss (G), Gerolsteiner, at 0:50
62. Robert Hunter (RSA), Barloworld, at 0:51
63. Sandy Casar (F), Française des Jeux, at 0:51
64. Leif Hoste (B), Predictor-Lotto, at 0:51
64. Marzio Bruseghin (I), Lampre-Fondital, at 0:51
66. Thomas Voeckler (F), Bouygues Telecom, at 0:52
67. Francisco Perez Sanchez (Sp), Caisse d'Epargne, at 0:52
68. Johan Van Summeren (B), Predictor-Lotto, at 0:52
69. Mark Cavendish (GB), T-Mobile, at 0:52
70. Bert Grabsch (G), T-Mobile, at 0:53
71. Chris Horner (USA), Predictor-Lotto, at 0:53
71. Benjamin Noval Gonzalez (Sp), Discovery Channel, at 0:53
73. Cédric Vasseur (F), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 0:53
74. Martin Elmiger (Swi), AG2r Prévoyance, at 0:53
75. Christian Vande Velde (USA), CSC, at 0:53
76. Fabian Wegmann (G), Gerolsteiner, at 0:53
77. Bram De Groot (Nl), Rabobank, at 0:54
78. Nicolas Vogondy (F), Agritubel, at 0:54
79. Patrik Sinkewitz (G), T-Mobile, at 0:54
80. Gorka Verdugo Marcotegui (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 0:54
81. Tadej Valjavec (Slo), Lampre-Fondital, at 0:54
82. Axel Merckx (B), T-Mobile, at 0:54
83. Serguei Ivanov (Rus), Astana, at 0:55
84. Frederik Willems (B), Liquigas, at 0:55
85. Bernhard Eisel (A), T-Mobile, at 0:55
86. Patrice Halgand (F), Crédit Agricole, at 0:55
87. Alessandro Ballan (I), Lampre-Fondital, at 0:55
88. Oscar Freire Gomez (Sp), Rabobank, at 0:55
89. José Vicente Garcia Acosta (Sp), Caisse d'Epargne, at 0:55
90. Iker Camano Ortuzar (Sp), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 0:55
91. Charles Wegelius (GB), Liquigas, at 0:56
92. Carlos Sastre Candil (Sp), CSC, at 0:56
93. Michael Albasini (Swi), Liquigas, at 0:56
94. Matteo Tosatto (I), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 0:56
95. Frank Schleck (Lux), CSC, at 0:57
96. Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 0:57
97. Dario David Cioni (I), Predictor-Lotto, at 0:57
98. Xavier Florencio Cabre (Sp), Bouygues Telecom, at 0:57
99. Daniel Navarro Garcia (Sp), Astana, at 0:57
100. Johann Tschopp (Swi), Bouygues Telecom, at 0:58
101. Juan Antonio Flecha Giannoni (Sp), Rabobank, at 0:58
102. Bram Tankink (Nl), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 0:58
103. Murilo Fischer (Brz), Liquigas, at 0:58
104. Kurt-Asle Arvesen (N), CSC, at 0:58
105. Ivan Ramiro Parra Pinto (Col), Cofidis, at 1:00
105. Moises Duenas Nevado (Sp), Agritubel, at 1:00
107. Christian Knees (G), Milram, at 1:00
108. Heinrich Haussler (G), Gerolsteiner, at 1:00
109. Iban Mayo Diez (Sp), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 1:00
110. Robert Förster (G), Gerolsteiner, at 1:00
111. Iñigo Cuesta Lopez De Castro (Sp), CSC, at 1:00
112. Julian Dean (NZ), Crédit Agricole, at 1:01
113. Grischa Niermann (G), Rabobank, at 1:01
114. José Luis Arrieta Lujambio (Sp), AG2r Prévoyance, at 1:01
115. Dmitriy Fofonov (Kz), Crédit Agricole, at 1:01
116. Kjell Carlström (F), Liquigas, at 1:01
117. Stéphane Goubert (F), AG2r Prévoyance, at 1:02
118. Igor Anton Hernandez (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 1:02
119. Michael Boogerd (Nl), Rabobank, at 1:02
120. Manuel Beltran Martinez (Sp), Liquigas, at 1:02
121. Pierrick Fedrigo (F), Bouygues Telecom, at 1:03
122. Mauricio Soler (Col), Barloworld, at 1:03
123. Daniele Righi (I), Lampre-Fondital, at 1:03
123. Aleksandr Kuchynski (Blr), Liquigas, at 1:03
125. Lilian Jégou (F), Française des Jeux, at 1:03
125. Sébastien Chavanel (F), Française des Jeux, at 1:03
127. Paolo Bossoni (I), Lampre-Fondital, at 1:04
128. Marcus Burghardt (G), T-Mobile, at 1:04
129. Gert Steegmans (B), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 1:04
130. David Canada Gracia (Sp), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 1:04
131. Fred Rodriguez (USA), Predictor-Lotto, at 1:05
132. Mathieu Ladagnous (F), Française des Jeux, at 1:05
133. Marcel Sieberg (G), Milram, at 1:05
134. Sylvain Calzati (F), AG2r Prévoyance, at 1:06
135. Ralf Grabsch (G), Milram, at 1:06
136. Grégory Rast (Swi), Astana, at 1:06
137. Mario Aerts (B), Predictor-Lotto, at 1:06
138. Simon Gerrans (Aus), AG2r Prévoyance, at 1:06
139. Jérôme Pineau (F), Bouygues Telecom, at 1:06
140. Juan Miguel Mercado Martin (Sp), Agritubel, at 1:06
141. Alexandre Botcharov (Rus), Crédit Agricole, at 1:06
142. Xabier Zandio Echaide (Sp), Caisse d'Epargne, at 1:07
143. Christophe Le Mével (F), Crédit Agricole, at 1:07
144. Inigo Landaluze Intxaurraga (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 1:08
145. Cyril Dessel (F), AG2r Prévoyance, at 1:08
146. Freddy Bichot (F), Agritubel, at 1:08
147. Amets Txurruka (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 1:08
148. Robbie McEwen (Aus), Predictor-Lotto, at 1:09
149. Alessandro Cortinovis (I), Milram, at 1:09
150. Stéphane Augé (F), Cofidis, at 1:09
151. Francisco José Ventoso Alberdi (Sp), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 1:10
152. Steven De Jongh (Nl), Quick Step-Innergetic, at 1:10
153. Pieter Weening (Nl), Rabobank, at 1:10
154. Anthony Geslin (F), Bouygues Telecom, at 1:10
155. Enrico Poitschke (G), Milram, at 1:10
156. Sébastien Hinault (F), Crédit Agricole, at 1:12
157. Nicolas Portal (F), Caisse d'Epargne, at 1:12
157. Francisco Javier Vila Errandonea (Sp), Lampre-Fondital, at 1:12
159. Mickael Delage (F), Française des Jeux, at 1:13
160. Staf Scheirlinckx (B), Cofidis, at 1:13
161. Rémy Di Grégorio (F), Française des Jeux, at 1:13
162. Romain Feillu (F), Agritubel, at 1:14
163. Geoffroy Lequatre (F), Cofidis, at 1:14
164. Benoît Salmon (F), Agritubel, at 1:15
165. Inaki Isasi Flores (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 1:16
166. Michael Rasmussen (Dk), Rabobank, at 1:16
167. Jorge Azanza Soto (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 1:16
168. Félix Rafael Cardenas Ravalo (Col), Barloworld, at 1:18
169. John Gadret (F), AG2r Prévoyance, at 1:18
170. Ludovic Turpin (F), AG2r Prévoyance, at 1:18
171. David Arroyo Duran (Sp), Caisse d'Epargne, at 1:18
172. Anthony Charteau (F), Crédit Agricole, at 1:19
173. Juan Jose Cobo Acebo (Sp), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 1:19
174. Eduardo Gonzalo Ramirez (Sp), Agritubel, at 1:19
175. Claudio Corioni (I), Lampre-Fondital, at 1:19
176. Alexander Efimkin (Rus), Barloworld, at 1:20
177. Giampaolo Cheula (I), Barloworld, at 1:20
178. Christophe Rinero (F), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 1:21
179. Stuart O'Grady (Aus), CSC, at 1:23
180. Peter Wrolich (A), Gerolsteiner, at 1:25
181. Paolo Longo Borghini (I), Barloworld, at 1:26
182. David De La Fuente Rasilla (Sp), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 1:26
183. Alberto Ongarato (I), Milram, at 1:27
184. Kanstantin Siutsou (Blr), Barloworld, at 1:27
185. Cédric Hervé (F), Agritubel, at 1:30
186. Enrico Degano (I), Barloworld, at 1:30
187. Wim Vansevenant (B), Predictor-Lotto, at 1:32
188. Danilo Napolitano (I), Lampre-Fondital, at 1:33
189. Ruben Lobato Elvira (Sp), Saunier Duval-Prodir, at 1:51

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Do you need a custom saddle if you are taking Viagra?

I'm honestly curious here, how did you come up with this list?

Again, not an expert but is there any reason Rabobank isn't on it?

You are absolutly freakin nuts! Thankfully I can ignore your posts!

Mayo?

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