*** SPOILER *** Interesting facts from Landis' book - Page 2

[QUOTE=Moller]Wrong. While McQuaid didn't name Landis specifically, he did announce that "a rider" had tested positive after stage 17, and that it was the "worst possible scenario", etc., etc., etc. So although he didn't mention Landis's name, he basically pointed his finger straight at Landis before the team's announcement. And he did state that the lab had a connection to L'Equipe.

I'm not saying that Landis didn't do it, but the lab/press connection needs to be severed.

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"No nation is drunken where wine is cheap..." -- Thomas Jefferson

right. we have no way to verify if its true. I simply think landis is a slimeball. i never liked him, but after what he did to lemond, well, he is worse then pond scum.

I agree with this. The whole argument over procedure of revealing the findings just seems like a tactic to obfuscate the real issue, which is: Is the test result reliable?

The thought of a conspiracy to get back at Landis by completely ruining his life is maybe possible but extremely unlikely. You would need a party of co-conspirators to sign on to a criminal act.

And it seems the idea/defense of testosterone not being helpful during competition has not been passed on to some of this year's riders who tested positive.

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Yes, he as several desperate threads to his tale, does he not? People keep saying that "in America it's innocent until proven guilty" but only in America can you find lawyers willing to go forward with these sorts of defenses, though Landis's pales in comparison to The Chimera, Tyler Hamilton. This Suh guy must have a second degree in creative writing.

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So what?

Or, just let Landis choose the lab, as he wanted. Didn't they want the lab at UCLA or something? If there exo-test in his urine, any lab should find it.

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"Bait in 08" --nns1400

Yeah, I don't understand why they won't allow a different lab to test the results. They could have completely removed the conspiracy aspect of the case by allowing UCLA to do it. If it had been done this way and found positive it would even have given more credibility to LNDD regarding LA's EPO tests from the 99 tour.

If we know the riders cannot be trusted, the UCI cannot be trusted, and the ASO cannot be trusted, why should we trust the lab, or anyone involved in cycling?
Isn't it great??????

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"Since we started [selling the Livestrong wristbands], we've sold 75 million of these bracelets," said Armstrong. "What's different this year, is that anybody who buys a bracelet during the Tour, all the money stays here. I think it's important for people to understand that the money they spend - 1 Euro - is not going to Texas or the United States, it stays in France."

If I recall, even the UCLA lab said that they didn't have the machine necessary to do the Carbon Isotope testing. There are only a handful of labs in the WADA system who can do this testing.

It makes sense that a race in France will use the national WADA Lab in France. What do you want to do... let every rider choose his own lab in his own country to fight every positive? How do you think Vino's blood would come back from an accredited lab in Kazakhstan? Will Iban Mayo ask to have his blood tested in a lab in the Basque region of Spain? Would you let him?

Floyd got busted. McQuaid is right... he should have taken the suspension... if he had, he'd only have 11 months to go.

cycling seems to be one of these small time sports that are run for the benefit of the administrators so they can pretend to be napolean and lord over their petty empires and play politics and back stabbing games with each other.

it's about time the riders wised up and organised themselves into an effective union to look after their interests especially when it comes to money.

every other pro sport has taken this step especially in america where the players aren't affraid to go on strike and kill the season.......this is the type of attitude cyclists need to use instead of being sheep and taking it up the **** from these tin pot dictator administrators.
it's one out all out.

the riders should be getting about 25% of incmes revenue from tv and sponsorship going to salaries as in most other sports and there should be better guarantees of salaries being paid and also minimum base wages etc.

the riders should be in the best negotiating position........no riders = no tour.

Allowing UCLA to test the B samples might have provided some PR value to the uniformed public, but until we see some noteworthy cases of science professionals at accredited laboratories busted for conspiring to frame athletes and falsify results, there is simply no legitimate reason to object to LNDD testing the B samples. For those inclined to latch onto conspiracy theories, even a second positive result at a different lab would be open to conspiratorial interpretations (e.g., LNDD sent a “spiked” sample to UCLA to cover their falsification of the A sample, the staff at UCLA falsified the results to cover for their colleagues in France, etc.). You’re kidding yourself if you think a variation the testing protocol would “remove the conspiracy aspect” in the minds of people who want to believe such things.



Given the decades-long pattern of widespread doping, cheating and lying among the ranks of professional cyclists, and the utter lack of any such pattern of fraud among science professionals at accredited testing laboratories, any reasonable person will know who is likely to be telling the truth in this case. I don’t think there is a test protocol in the world that would change the mind of anyone willing to buy into such crackpot ideas in the first place.

Well said.

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The stupid thing is, if/when Landis is given a guilty verdict he will still only have that 11 months (from now). Pretty sure the 2yrs starts from last July/August?
Remember Hamilton fought for nearly 2yrs and only stopped (at least appeared to) when the 2yrs was just about up.
I think they should start the 2yrs after hearings have finished. Not from the date of the offense.
Might discourage guys from taking such a long time dragging it through court after court. If they just accept it & admit it they will be back on the road again sooner.

Best post of of August so far. The cycling powers are so inconsistent with everything. Cycling should tell the IOC to get lost too.

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"Since we started [selling the Livestrong wristbands], we've sold 75 million of these bracelets," said Armstrong. "What's different this year, is that anybody who buys a bracelet during the Tour, all the money stays here. I think it's important for people to understand that the money they spend - 1 Euro - is not going to Texas or the United States, it stays in France."

[QUOTE=wolfix]Best post of of August so far. QUOTE]
That's a very low bar on here.

what floyd writes is somewhat intriguing, but from a a quick logical do you really think that the uci is going to put a massive black mark on the biggest thing in cycling just to teach this gruff amish kid a lesson? that's cutting off your face to spite your nose.

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