*** SPOILER *** Interesting facts from Landis' book - Page 3

Yes ..It's in the best interest of the UCI at this point to hurt the Tour de France. If you have been following the Tour de France what was the biggest news?????
** The UCI not informing the Tour de France about RAZ. Why wouldn't the UCI notify he Tour de France of a major rider who was expected to wear a jersey [polka] during the Tour de France?
With the UCI and the ASO just about to split, why wouldn't it be in the best interest of the UCI to see the Tour de France damaged?

It's not cutting your face off to spite the noses....... it's trying to attempt to control cycling.

McSQuid vs Prudie.
Their rivalry is changing cycling more then any team or rider at this time.
That's what is happening in cycling. The doping is the vehicle in which power is obtained.
FL may be guilty, but as Mr Clean Johnathan Vaughters says ...

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I believe Floyd is innocent. The majority of T/E tests are over-turned at the CAS level. The guy will probably be proven innocent in eight months time, but in the short-term, the media is killing him. Floyd is basically paying for the sins of all the morons who came before him, who have denied, denied, denied. He's going to take the fall for everyone who has cried wolf before him. He's going to be the guy who gets his head cut off and that's a real tragedy. Johnathan Vaughters

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"Since we started [selling the Livestrong wristbands], we've sold 75 million of these bracelets," said Armstrong. "What's different this year, is that anybody who buys a bracelet during the Tour, all the money stays here. I think it's important for people to understand that the money they spend - 1 Euro - is not going to Texas or the United States, it stays in France."

Bingo. Exactly!

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Harry

Wow. I read the appendix and it really is amazing. I'd have to say that I'm convinced Floyd's innocent after reading that - no more on the fence. The first interesting point is that the mislabeling of Floyd's ID number is worse than I'd thought from previous articles. They did not mislabel one document, or get one ID number wrong. They got his ID number wrong THREE times! It almost looks as though they found positive lab tests by other riders and, using wite-out, changed the number to Floyd's. Not saying they did that, but jeez! THREE TIMES.

The contamination of the specimin is a very valid argument. I don't know enough about the science here to know if he's interpreting the numbers properly but if he is, then the sample is contaminated and not a valid sample.

The unreliable testing is to me, 100% a reason for this thing to be thrown out. They tested the same sample (his "A" sample) twice and the two results were off by more than 200%!!! Even in high school science class, if you'd turned in those results, your teacher would tell you you needed to do it again. A 200% variance in tests says that it's not accurate or capable of telling you anything useful with regard to what you were testing for. I don't understand why this case wasn't thrown out.

The other points were ones I was already aware of (e.g. how the rules for what constitutes a positive result is diff. in diff. WADA labs).

His book did not really change my mind; Arnie Baker's presentation DID.

Thanks Floyd...

Read the book. Then tell us what you think. You don't even have to buy it, go sit in a bookstore or get it from the library.

Dude, come on. Consider the source. I'm sure someone can sit down and write an equally compelling book on how Landis is guilty.

Think about it. Do you think Landis would co-author a book that didn't support his innocence? Do you think he's going to include details that undermine his arguments?

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Yes, read the book and buy at least 10 to understand why Floyd is innocent, and Donrhummy is right when he said :
Nothing wrong here.

Who is going to fall in the trap?

Hide the winnie apologies won;t fly on this board.

Roid Landis is guilty.

A few notes before I get back to telling the world about how Nike and LA are the spawn of the devil (not the stinky German guy!)

1) I think Landis is guilty
2) I think the UCI and the lab messed things up so badly he should be exonerated
3) I think if he is exonerated it may force the UCI/WADA and the labs to clean up their act.
4) I personally have heard many stories told by people I trust in the pro cycling world about the UCI going after people they dislike...at whatever cost.
5) This book has been out for some time and nobody has disputed what he wrote, no lawsuits, no demands to change things. It seems to me that were he lying some of this would have been done.

Nike are baby killers!

Exactly right. All this stuff is verifiable and there have been no breaking news stories about any of it being proven false, or any denials. Regardless of whether you think floyd doped, the lab/uci messed up so many things (intentionally or inadvertantly) that the case should be dropped.

One other interesting thing: the guy (Paul Scott) who used to be #2 at the UCLA WADA-accredited lab and who used to advise UCI on cases and who started an anti-doping advocacy group, has stated ON THE RECORD that he thinks Floyd is innocent and that if this case had been sent before the UCLA lab, like it usually would be, for advisement, they would have told UCI that they had no case.

One other interesting thing: Don Catlin, the founder of the UCLA lab, has said that doping was obviously going on. Charlotte Ayotte shot down Landis' claim that other labs would not found Landis' samples positive.

The fact is this: Landis now has a long and well documented history of lying about his case. Heck, I wanted him to get off so I see him race again; but there has been much of Landis' defense that is laughable.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

+1 best idea I've read so far

And what about the people who were cheated, abused by Landis?

If Landis is guilty, it's better that he would not be exonerated, the reverse it's like to steal his victims once again! Victims are not responsible how the case were handled, and Landis' case is far to be clearly flawed so there is no reason to exonerate him.

Read Lances book. You'll finish it thinking he's a great guy too. In fact read anyone's authorised story and you'll wonder why they only let saints publish their story.

Other juicy tidbits:

The first year Landis was on the USPS Tour squad, he was in debt, and his share of the team's Tour earnings was $50K. LA gave Landis a "Lance bonus" of $40K.

One year when Landis couldn't pace LA up a climb and Chechu had to do it instead (during one of the earlier years Landis rode the Tour), both LA and Bruyneel were pretty stern with him afterwards. Bruyneel said something like "this is unacceptable".

Landis writes that LA is a paranoid, detail-oriented person.

Landis makes it sound like Bruyneel didn't really care too much whether Landis' hip was injured, in terms of Landis' personal well-being. It sounded like Bruyneel was focused on getting good domestiques for LA.

Unless one is LA, one does not get one's requests readily fulfilled. Landis wanted a time trial bike at home for practice, and was repeatedly denied. One of the excuses given to explain why Landis couldn't have that was that even George didn't have one.

The domestiques, except for Landis, are all very deferential to Bruyneel and LA.