To all non believers... - Page 6

so you can say that it is impossible for a urine test 2 be changed from negative to positive for ANY banned substance with all the **** that can be done these days? it seems to me like all you guys have is theorys to why lance could have been a cheat, just as i have my theorys as to why he wasnt a cheat. untill there is concrete evedince about those 6 urine samples, all any one can have is theorys!!!

Agreed only theories ...they are

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Your theory is worse than our, because it's not answering :
Why would someone tampere old samples when you can tampere new samples?
If I remeber correctly the retesting was done a year later before the L'Equipe publication, so "the Evils" could have tampered in the same way the 1994 or 1995 samples of the demon Lance! Sure the effect would have been greater.
You should probably spin that they have chose the first solution to hide better the embezzlement! But there is a correlation between the capacity to beat doped riders, who have an advantage of 20% and the fact of EPO was found in his urines, isn't it?

If there's an end of year awards, can we nominate this one for 'Thread of the year'?

Let me get this straight. Six positive test results=theory. Someone spiked the results=not a theory.

There is concrete evidence. The six samples were part of an anonymous (read: no one knew that they were Lance's, so how could they have been tampered with?) trial run held at the LNDD but (I believe) conducted by the Australian developers of the original EPO test. They asked the UCI for extra samples, the UCI said, sure, we have a bunch from the '99 and '00 Tours you can use, the samples were tested for EPO, 50+ of which came back positive, 6 of which had the same code number. Ressiot, being the good investigative journalist that he is, caught wind of the re-testing of the Tour samples, managed to get a hold of the UCI ID list, and discovered that those 6 coded samples that tested positive for EPO matched the UCI code for Armstrong.

Straight and simple, Armstrong got caught retroactively with EPO in his piss. I don't know why anyone feels the need to try and obfuscate a pretty straightforward story with wild conspiracy theories - it's not like discovering that one of the top riders was doping is really a revelation any more, hell it's more of a revelation to discover that a top rider from the past decade wasn't doping. So I can only assume that you just refuse to accept that Armstrong was, while very successful, just another doper, simply because it's "Lance Armstrong", which is kinda stupid.

WOW cool word big word too

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There you go with that conspiracy theory stuff again...

Bumping the spam

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Lance Armstrong’s Last Words, August 10, 2007 - “We're proud of our record. We won eight Tours, a Vuelta, a Giro and other races and not one positive test," Armstrong said. “I’m not sure if there are many other teams who can say that right now. Couple that with our ethical record, despite all the gossip and nonsense that goes on.”

Look. It's good old whareagle. Still pissed off that Lance tested positive six times for EPO I see.

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*Yes, but look how many on the shame list have crawled away in embarassment knowing that they were wrong in thinking the worst of Lance.

* Note sarcasm and bull**** meter being pegged into the red line area.

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