Deutsche Telekom ends sponsorship - Page 5

**limerickman** · #61 11-28.-2007

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Originally Posted by Cobblestones

Breaking News:

The international hemp growers association has announced to take over sponsorship of a professional cycling team. The sponsor agreement would guarantee a 5 year commitment of $12 million dollars per year. The new team, according to unconfirmed rumors, has already signed Ivan Basso and Michael Rasmussen; the team's DS Manolo Saiz hinted also about contacts with former Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich. The name of the new team will be iDope.

very good!

earth_dweller · #62 11-28.-2007

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Originally Posted by itxaradia

what's ASO is it he french association or a german one? are they the ownwer of Blid or the competence .. please spell it out so that we can make our own "informed" wild guesses

In any case, cycling seems once again to be a pawn in a large game of chess

some other time i will reply to an earlier message which accused spanish and italian riders of being unskilled and thick but right now, I will just appreciate some further information on the tmobile move.

Not sure what you mean by 'competence'?!?

The Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO) is part of the French media group, EPA (Éditions Philippe Amaury), and is well-known as the organiser of various major sporting events, including the Tour de France and Paris-Nice professional cycle road races, and the Dakar Rally. It is not an organisation. The ASO owns not only the Tour de France but Paris-Roubaix and has just aquired Tour of Germany. EPA publishes le Parisien, a local newspaper in greater Paris, as well as its national edition, Aujourd'hui en France. In partnership with SNC L'Equipe, the group also publishes the sports journals l'Équipe, l'Équipe Magazine, France Football and Vélo Magazine. Furthermore, EPA owns the television channel l'Equipe TV.

The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German daily tabloid (in style, although actually broadsheet in size) newspaper published by Axel Springer AG. It is the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the third-largest circulation worldwide. Its motto, prominently displayed below the logo, is unabhängig, überparteilich (independent, trans-partisan).

T-Online International provides Internet and related services, but also a broad range of multimedia-services, including web-hosting, e-mail services, online-banking and international roaming access. T-Online International launched a joint-venture, named Bild.T-Online.de AG & Co. KG, with the German Axel Springer Verlag publishing house in May 2002. T-Online International owns a 37 % stake in this joint-venture, the purpose of which is to provide contents and entertainment under the domain name <bild.t-online.de>. This joint venture has been reported by European and US-media companies.

And as cyclingheroes said, T-Mobile and T-Online are both divisions of Deutsche Telekom.

ASO and Bild have no formal relationships.

tmctguer · #63 11-29.-2007

since drugs are so rampant in cycling, the drug companies need to step up their sponsorships. Amgen's sponsorship of the Tour of California is a great start. They should pass out free EPO samples as schwag to all the riders.

Next, Androgel should sponsor the mountain stages of the Tour de France. Heck, maybe even Landis could give out autographed testosterone patches. Perhaps a company that makes intravenous equipment could step up to sponsor the time trials. Vinokourov could endorse his IV of choice.

It is no different than Gatorade being a sponsor because it is the drink of choice.........

The problem is that legitimate companies are being asked to pony up millions of dollars to teams who are often neck deep in doping practices.

The jig is up. No major corporation (e.g., T Mobile, Discovery Channel) needs the grief of risking having their name associated with a team who's riders test positive for doping. These companies are bailing because of their fear that more doping disasters are waiting to happen.

Crankyfeet · #64 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by tmctguer

These companies are bailing because of their fear that more doping disasters are waiting to happen.

When I joined this forum, one of the reasons was because there were very smart people, like tmctguer here, who could break down the news and explain things that just didn't make sense to me.

Thanks tmctguer.

Just think, companies afraid of doping disasters. Who'd have thunk it? Well done, Einstein.

earth_dweller · #65 11-29.-2007

Personally I want Viagra to become a sponsor

nns1400 · #66 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by earth_dweller

Personally I want Viagra to become a sponsor

Ummm, Tom doesn't need Viagra, does he?

tmctguer · #67 11-29.-2007

anytime, cranky. just a meager attempt to perform a public service for this wonderful earth or ours.

speaking of endorsments, maybe Bob Dole can autograph the Viagra packs.

Crankyfeet · #68 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by tmctguer

anytime, cranky. just a meager attempt to perform a public service for this wonderful earth or ours.

speaking of endorsments, maybe Bob Dole can autograph the Viagra packs.

Sorry tmctguer - I had to edit it for people who didn't get what I thought would be obvious sarcasm.

**limerickman** · #69 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by tmctguer

The jig is up. No major corporation (e.g., T Mobile, Discovery Channel) needs the grief of risking having their name associated with a team who's riders test positive for doping. These companies are bailing because of their fear that more doping disasters are waiting to happen.

That is the essential point.

Whether one knows the machinations of what teams were or weren't doping -
the fact of the matter is that when a sponsor like TMO, who sponsor a huge amount of different sports/teams across Europe, announces that it is leaving cycling - that announcement will discourage other high profile sponsors from entering the sport.
No reputable brand can afford to allow itself be associated with cheating.
(it's a moot point as to whether or not TMO, as in Corporate TMO as distinct from TMo cycling team, were aware that their cycling team were up to anything......but they're guilty by perceived association).

TMO's withdrawal of their sponsorship for good/ill - is a very serious commercial blow to the entire commercial structure of the sport.
You have guys like Cavendish, Wiggins etc without a team.

The capacity of other sponsors to take up the excess capacity is, i would argue, extremely limited because other sponsors are seriously considering their future in the sport.
Throw in the fact that support staff, such as mechanics and soigneurs will also lose their jobs, it is apparent that Verbruggen/McQuaid tolerance of cheating since 1998 is resulting in this latest implosion.

itxaradia · #70 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by earth_dweller

Not sure what you mean by 'competence'?!?

The Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO) is part of the French media group, EPA (Éditions Philippe Amaury), and is well-known as the organiser of various major sporting events, including the Tour de France and Paris-Nice professional cycle road races, and the Dakar Rally. It is not an organisation. The ASO owns not only the Tour de France but Paris-Roubaix and has just aquired Tour of Germany. EPA publishes le Parisien, a local newspaper in greater Paris, as well as its national edition, Aujourd'hui en France. In partnership with SNC L'Equipe, the group also publishes the sports journals l'Équipe, l'Équipe Magazine, France Football and Vélo Magazine. Furthermore, EPA owns the television channel l'Equipe TV.

The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German daily tabloid (in style, although actually broadsheet in size) newspaper published by Axel Springer AG. It is the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the third-largest circulation worldwide. Its motto, prominently displayed below the logo, is unabhängig, überparteilich (independent, trans-partisan).

T-Online International provides Internet and related services, but also a broad range of multimedia-services, including web-hosting, e-mail services, online-banking and international roaming access. T-Online International launched a joint-venture, named Bild.T-Online.de AG & Co. KG, with the German Axel Springer Verlag publishing house in May 2002. T-Online International owns a 37 % stake in this joint-venture, the purpose of which is to provide contents and entertainment under the domain name <bild.t-online.de>. This joint venture has been reported by European and US-media companies.

And as cyclingheroes said, T-Mobile and T-Online are both divisions of Deutsche Telekom.

ASO and Bild have no formal relationships.

thanks for the info

I suposse many have said so before but knowing a few professional cyclist I just can't believe doping is so spread and so "unique" to cycling. A proffesional may have as much as a blood test every other day between tests run by the team, the federation and the uci, they are the only sport people subjected to such control.... Footballers and basketball player never have blood test just urine and that in Europe as I was led to think NBA does not do any drug control on its players........ any way cycling will always overcome whatever difficulties it encounter just as riders climb whatever road they meet.....
As for the uci attitude to the sport I think it is greatly misleaded sometimes by paddy, sorry pat's own interests and phobias...
Still, big firms or not my kids will keep riding and so will I

**jhuskey** · #71 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by earth_dweller

Personally I want Viagra to become a sponsor

The competition is stiff enough in pro cycling besides people like McQuaid just get taller when they take it.

nns1400 · #72 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by jhuskey

The competition is stiff enough in pro cycling besides people like McQuaid just get taller when they take it.

ROFLWTIME!

**jhuskey** · #73 11-29.-2007

Audi, Giant etc. going, going, gone!

Crankyfeet · #74 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by jhuskey

The competition is stiff enough in pro cycling besides people like McQuaid just get taller when they take it.

LOL.

Very clever jHusk.

cyclingheroes · #75 11-29.-2007

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Originally Posted by jhuskey

Audi, Giant etc. going, going, gone!

There are also reports that Giant will stay.

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