Go Back   Cycling Forums » Bikes » Professional Cycling
Professional Cycling This is the place to bring all your Giro, Vuelta a España and Tour de France chat. If you follow the the Classics and other professional bike races post here.













Heras retires from pro cycling

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-30.-2007
TheDarkLord's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,894
Rep Power: 19
TheDarkLord is on a distinguished road
Default Heras retires from pro cycling

Three-time Vuelta a España winner Roberto Heras, whose two-year suspension for doping ended in October, confirmed Saturday that he has decided to quit professional cycling.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13847.0.html
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-30.-2007
Bro Deal's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Resting by the Tumtum tree
Posts: 6,549
Rep Power: 33
Bro Deal is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDarkLord
Three-time Vuelta a España winner Roberto Heras, whose two-year suspension for doping ended in October, confirmed Saturday that he has decided to quit professional cycling.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13847.0.html
This sucks. It would have been nice to have Heras in next year's Vuelta.

Something is fishy here. He complains about not being able to join a ProTour team, but he can certainly find a Spanish Pro Continental team that will be invited to the Vuelta. What other ProTour races does he want to do? It smells like money issues. No Pro Contiental team can pay him what he wants.

It could be an issue of doping support. Perhaps he cannot find a team that will offer him the support he needs to reach the highest level. He was well taken care of at Kelme, Postal, and Liberty Seguros.

I still think it seems short sighted. No one has ever won the Vuelta four times. He would have a chance to do that next year.
__________________
"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates
Reply With Quote


  #3  
Old 12-30.-2007
whiteboytrash's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,396
Rep Power: 31
whiteboytrash is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro Deal
This sucks. It would have been nice to have Heras in next year's Vuelta.

Something is fishy here. He complains about not being able to join a ProTour team, but he can certainly find a Spanish Pro Continental team that will be invited to the Vuelta. What other ProTour races does he want to do? It smells like money issues. No Pro Contiental team can pay him what he wants.

It could be an issue of doping support. Perhaps he cannot find a team that will offer him the support he needs to reach the highest level. He was well taken care of at Kelme, Postal, and Liberty Seguros.

I still think it seems short sighted. No one has ever won the Vuelta four times. He would have a chance to do that next year.
Yes very sad........ another victim of the lance era..... sooner or later one of these guys will be so pissed they will spill there guts...... poor old lance must get sick of paying these guys off....... maybe he should race with tyler in the US ? doesn't Heres have funny ears like Hincapie ? that HGH must be potent ****.....

Last edited by whiteboytrash; 12-30.-2007 at 05:35 PM.
Reply With Quote


  #4  
Old 12-30.-2007
Crankyfeet's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: You are here => X
Posts: 10,827
Rep Power: 49
Crankyfeet is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro Deal
I still think it seems short sighted. No one has ever won the Vuelta four times. He would have a chance to do that next year.
No one knows better than him though on his own pros and cons of continuing.
__________________


Reply With Quote


  #5  
Old 12-30.-2007
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Belgrade, Serbia
Posts: 920
Rep Power: 13
Andrija is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Another one shocking retirement.

But, notice that just GT oriented cyclists (accomplished in Armstrong era) are announcing their retirement lately, and that news about their retirement are most interesting (till certain point). What's about one day and classics riders? Aren't they involved in doping as much as GT riders? Or is it that they can slip through the system, or they're not that much of interest for clean cycling image (as the center of attention is on GTs)? Or they were just visiting other doctor?
__________________
"Soldiers! Heroes!

The supreme command has erased our regiment from its records. Our regiment has been sacrificed for the honor of Belgrade and the Fatherland. Therefore, you no longer have to worry for your lives - they do not exist anymore.
So, forward to glory! For King and country! Long live the king! Long live Belgrade! "
Reply With Quote


  #6  
Old 12-30.-2007
Bro Deal's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Resting by the Tumtum tree
Posts: 6,549
Rep Power: 33
Bro Deal is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crankyfeet
No one knows better than him though on his own pros and cons of continuing.
I am sure he does, which is why I don't really trust his public statements. The don't make sense.

Leipheimer had some quotes on cyclingnews which could be interpreted as Bruyneel would be changing and his past shouldn't held against him. If one of the last bastions of unapologetic doping is changing then it could indicate a true change in the sport. If winning the Vuelta is the only thing that is important to Heras and he know that he needs extra help but is unable to find a team to provide that help, it would explain why he is calling it a day.

We will know just how much Bruyneel has changed by the performance of riders like Leipheimer fairly early in the sason.
__________________
"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates
Reply With Quote


  #7  
Old 12-30.-2007
Crankyfeet's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: You are here => X
Posts: 10,827
Rep Power: 49
Crankyfeet is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro Deal
Leipheimer had some quotes on cyclingnews which could be interpreted as Bruyneel would be changing and his past shouldn't held against him. If one of the last bastions of unapologetic doping is changing then it could indicate a true change in the sport...

We will know just how much Bruyneel has changed by the performance of riders like Leipheimer fairly early in the sason.
IMO, the probability of Bruyneel changing and continuing in the sport is miniscule. If he was offered some ultimatum by UCI, along the lines of "We aren't going to protect you any longer...especially now that you are working for Astana", I think he'd retire. Why would he want to continue without the dope/blood; and as a result, his team finish back in the middle of the peloton? His legacy, which despite the doping accusations, looks very good on paper, would be diluted. Unless, he's in a desperate financial situation?

So I think he'd quit before DS'ing clean. Just my 2c.
__________________


Reply With Quote


  #8  
Old 12-30.-2007
Bro Deal's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Resting by the Tumtum tree
Posts: 6,549
Rep Power: 33
Bro Deal is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crankyfeet
IMO, the probability of Bruyneel changing and continuing in the sport is miniscule. If he was offered some ultimatum by UCI, along the lines of "We aren't going to protect you any longer...especially now that you are working for Astana", I think he'd retire. Why would he want to continue without the dope/blood; and as a result, his team finish back in the middle of the peloton? His legacy, which despite the doping accusations, looks very good on paper, would be diluted. Unless, he's in a desperate financial situation?

So I think he'd quit before DS'ing clean. Just my 2c.
Yeah, I am skeptical too. But he might have the ego to want to prove that he can succeed in a cleaner version of the sport as well as he did in the dopefest. Plus a big fat check might make finishing in the middle of the pack a lot easier to handle.

Contador does appear talented. He could do well even in a cleaner sport.
__________________
"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates
Reply With Quote


  #9  
Old 12-30.-2007
azdroptop's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 865
Rep Power: 13
azdroptop is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Victim? I love how it always comes back to being LA's fault. lol
Reply With Quote


  #10  
Old 12-31.-2007
italiano's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: With my kids if not biking or at my computer
Posts: 214
Rep Power: 5
italiano is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrija
Another one shocking retirement.

But, notice that just GT oriented cyclists (accomplished in Armstrong era) are announcing their retirement lately, and that news about their retirement are most interesting (till certain point). What's about one day and classics riders? Aren't they involved in doping as much as GT riders? Or is it that they can slip through the system, or they're not that much of interest for clean cycling image (as the center of attention is on GTs)? Or they were just visiting other doctor?
Interesting observation. I think it's a coincidence. Heras retirement is due to more than a singol motive or more restrictive doping ambience.

If Heras knew he is still competitive he would ride longer. These guys are addicts to bici, (like Crancy to FID )
The most offensive goods on Armstrong was/is already out -- LNDD finding EPO. Unless another Ressiot emerga, his remaining samples are not likely to be ever identificated it or examinated. Too bad. They would find Dynepo and HGH and hmg boosters as late as 2005.

If another teammate gets pissed at LA and spills more beans, can it be more damaging than already known testimonies? Hardly. It'll just make more news.
__________________
For inches and centimetres, let fools contend."
-- Damian Grammaticus
Reply With Quote


  #11  
Old 12-31.-2007
Crankyfeet's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: You are here => X
Posts: 10,827
Rep Power: 49
Crankyfeet is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro Deal
Yeah, I am skeptical too. But he might have the ego to want to prove that he can succeed in a cleaner version of the sport as well as he did in the dopefest. Plus a big fat check might make finishing in the middle of the pack a lot easier to handle.

Contador does appear talented. He could do well even in a cleaner sport.
You're getting my hopes up. I dream of a day when I can watch cycling with confidence that everyone is clean. Dream...
__________________


Reply With Quote


  #12  
Old 12-31.-2007
cyclingheroes's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,456
Rep Power: 22
cyclingheroes is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crankyfeet
You're getting my hopes up. I dream of a day when I can watch cycling with confidence that everyone is clean. Dream...
Well I am pretty clean, I just took a shower.
__________________
Cycling pictures


www.cyclingheroes-pictures.com
Reply With Quote


  #13  
Old 12-31.-2007
poulidor's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,423
Rep Power: 12
poulidor is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Bruyneel is in a difficult position in relation with his doped friend Lance and his old doped teams Disco, USPS and his already accomplishment as DS!
If one of his "old" riders is caught, that will transform DC doping suspicions in "facts".
So I think to minimize the risk he choses the Damsguard program!
Reply With Quote


  #14  
Old 12-31.-2007
whiteboytrash's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,396
Rep Power: 31
whiteboytrash is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crankyfeet
His legacy, which despite the doping accusations, looks very good on paper, would be diluted. Unless, he's in a desperate financial situation?

So I think he'd quit before DS'ing clean. Just my 2c.
Financial situation ? Johan is set for life..... he's book is coming out soon and it will race to the top of the bestseller lists..... http://www.johanbruyneel.com/book.aspx
Reply With Quote


  #15  
Old 12-31.-2007
Bro Deal's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Resting by the Tumtum tree
Posts: 6,549
Rep Power: 33
Bro Deal is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Heras retires from pro cycling

Quote:
Originally Posted by poulidor
Bruyneel is in a difficult position in relation with his doped friend Lance and his old doped teams Disco, USPS and his already accomplishment as DS!
If one of his "old" riders is caught, that will transform DC doping suspicions in "facts".
So I think to minimize the risk he choses the Damsguard program!
That is pretty much my thought. I think one of the main reasons Disco was shut down is that Armstrong and Bruyneel were afraid of getting caught like Astana was this year. The old ways were not going to work anymore. Bruyneel was ready to ride off into the sunset but along came Astana and they offered him a pile of cash to run their program. If he runs the team without a doping program he can still accomplish his goal of not sullying his record while making bank.

As I said above, we will know by the performance of Leipheimer how clean they are.
__________________
"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates
Reply With Quote


Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
cycling, heras, pro, retires

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:35 AM.

Powered by: vBulletin Copyright © 2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright © 2001 - 2009 cyclingforums.com

Translations (powered by Google):
Bulgarian Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Finnish French German Italian Japanese Korean Norwegian Polish Portuguese Spanish Swedish