Beltran positive EPO - Page 3

It is "Pot, Kettle, black.."

And my point is that when you say "the entire peloton is on drugs" and then think it ISN'T a reflection on One Ball, you become the joke.

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Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
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And the fact that he's 37 brings up a point. The 2 year ban penalty means less to someone who is about to retire.

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maybe he was doping his entire career, or maybe at age 37, he needed EPO to keep his hematocrit at a level of 48 - 49 so that he could continue to compete.

You wonder how/why these guys go throughout their career flying under the radar... not testing positive... then all of a sudden... they screw up their dosages. Maybe he was just counting on not being one of the guys randomly drawn out of the hat in the first couple of stages.

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Maybe they're like serial killers and they secretly want to be caught...

I'm kidding...

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So what?

The previous years of testing were a fraud. The testing was designed so that the riders were extremely unlikely to come up positive. In some cases the positives just disappeared into the UCI rabbit hole.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Heras
Hamilton
Landis
Beltran

Who else am I missing that went astray after leaving Postal?

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We are all made of stars.

Benoit Joachim tested positive for nandralone while at USPS

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Regarding Beltran's doping result, I find it encouraging that he was busted.

I am not gleeful or pleased about a rider getting busted but am pleased that authorities seem to be catching these guys.

Here in the U.S., we have the bottom-of-the-barrel cycling coverage (Versus) who are restating the SAME nonsense they were last year, that this tour is clean. They make a big to-do about "Take Back the Tour" but they still remain positive spin men.

My hope is that the pelaton is becoming cleaner but it will not happen overnight. It is not a lightswitch to turn on and off. So long as someone thinks they can gain an edge and get away with it, they'll try. I just hope more of them get caught and, eventually, more and more will be discouraged.

You'll always have people trying to cheat but one would hope they would be fewer and fewer.

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"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." -- Wayne Gretzsky

I disagree that his whole mythology was based on being clean. That was the smoke and mirrors campaign of playing with words to make them sound like one thing when in fact they said something else altogether. He always emphasized that he's never tested positive and is "the most tested athlete in the world." That's very different than claiming you were clean.

If someone has a quote from him actually saying "I always raced clean" or "I was clean" that's different. But, I've never heard him go that far myself. Granted, everyone here surely followed it all much more closely than me. So, I'll gladly stand corrected if someone has such a quote.

Andreu
Vaughters
Basso
Livingston
Clinger

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

I think those quotes are easy to find. He denied using dope under oath in the SCA arbitration. I think suing people for saying he doped counts as a pretty big denial.

Armstrong started out with the cute answers that left an opening for doping in the past but being clean now. That quickly transformed into never ever doing dope, even to the point of feigning ignorance over the name "EPO" (His "EP-what?" response to a question about EPO).

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Dang, I forgot all of that. Sorry. A bit rusty. Or, maybe it's my alzheimer's. Then again, perhaps it's selective memory and wanting to block all of that out.

wincing . . . .

But, I really would have to re-read the transcripts and exact language, because my very stale memory is otherwise, from when I read the specific language.

Even the lawsuit is qualifiable. But, I'm not going to go down that road. It would take too much time and it's Friday night and my ADD is kicking in.

You have to understand where Vs is coming from. They have a product they want to sell. Not a good incentive to talk about all the problems. You're expecting too much.

The AFLD tested his blood prior to the start and fund anomolies (his HCT being very near 50%) so they target tested him for EPO after the first stage and hey presto EPO. He is one of the ten riders with suspicious values they mentioned the other day. It seems like a bad thing having a Tour positive but I'd rather that than having the Tour under UCI control and the dopers flying free.

As your other post mentions, is Moreau one of the ten and that's why he abandoned?